Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Wilson » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:43 pm

Stooo wrote:
Wilson wrote:The country voted to leave, whether we like it or not. If we do leave (and it's a big IF now imo) we need a government who has the political will to protect our rights.
A protest vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for a system that wants to sell off our NHS & withdraw workers & human rights from you and your children. Seriously WTF are you thinking Cannydc?


It's clearly not a protest vote. You are losing members due to some sort of cultish dogma that will destroy your party. No deal will end the NHS and you can kiss goodbye to worker's rights as the country struggles to sustain itself.


Please don't start that lazy "cult" nonsense, it's beneath you.
I've already said No Deal will be catastrophic & that will be down to the gross incompetence of our government. We live in a 2 party system so any vote that's not for Labour is a vote for the continuation of that gross incompetence.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Wilson » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:52 pm

I'm not arguing for Brexit btw, I want to remain in the EU. I'm arguing for a government that has the political will to protect us with or without Brexit.

For a lot of people things are REALLY bad right now. Fobbing them off with "yeah but it'd be worse After Brexit" won't cut it.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Stooo » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:02 pm

Wilson wrote:I'm not arguing for Brexit btw, I want to remain in the EU. I'm arguing for a government that has the political will to protect us with or without Brexit.

For a lot of people things are REALLY bad right now. Fobbing them off with "yeah but it'd be worse After Brexit" won't cut it.


You should be, it will.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Lady Murasaki » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:03 am

Saw the highlights of conference last night.
BBC journalists are so blatantly biased, wish they’d eff off about the made up anti Semitic row and get down to what really matters.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby calitom » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:45 pm

Gigabit wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683

It is on, as long as Conference votes for it.

CHANGE. IS. COMING.


what kind of change do you mean? and if brexit loses this time do you go for 2 out of 3?? or do you just quit when you finally have the 'correct result'?
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Cannydc » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:26 pm

calitom wrote:
Gigabit wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683

It is on, as long as Conference votes for it.

CHANGE. IS. COMING.


what kind of change do you mean? and if brexit loses this time do you go for 2 out of 3?? or do you just quit when you finally have the 'correct result'?


Never changed your mind ?

Surely you have.

Well, so can we - especially when we find that we were lied to, exploited and manipulated first time round.

Fortunately the British people, rather like many of the Americans who had a similar experience with Trump, have changed their minds with all polls pointing towards a Remain majority.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:09 pm

Cannydc wrote:
calitom wrote:
Gigabit wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683

It is on, as long as Conference votes for it.

CHANGE. IS. COMING.


what kind of change do you mean? and if brexit loses this time do you go for 2 out of 3?? or do you just quit when you finally have the 'correct result'?


Never changed your mind ?

Surely you have.

Well, so can we - especially when we find that we were lied to, exploited and manipulated first time round.

Fortunately the British people, rather like many of the Americans who had a similar experience with Trump, have changed their minds with all polls pointing towards a Remain majority.





But it's forcing people to change their minds. There was a democratic vote and people voted. You lost. Why should you even get to vote if you want to live elsewhere?
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:12 pm

Cannydc wrote:
calitom wrote:
Gigabit wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683

It is on, as long as Conference votes for it.

CHANGE. IS. COMING.


what kind of change do you mean? and if brexit loses this time do you go for 2 out of 3?? or do you just quit when you finally have the 'correct result'?


Never changed your mind ?

Surely you have.

Well, so can we - especially when we find that we were lied to, exploited and manipulated first time round.

Fortunately the British people, rather like many of the Americans who had a similar experience with Trump, have changed their minds with all polls pointing towards a Remain majority.




You carry on believing that. Trump is doing fine despite the lefts attempts. People can see what's going on and it's back firing on the Dems badly.
Pretty much what will happen if another brexit vote is forced
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Cannydc » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:34 pm

Guest wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
calitom wrote:
Gigabit wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683

It is on, as long as Conference votes for it.

CHANGE. IS. COMING.


what kind of change do you mean? and if brexit loses this time do you go for 2 out of 3?? or do you just quit when you finally have the 'correct result'?


Never changed your mind ?

Surely you have.

Well, so can we - especially when we find that we were lied to, exploited and manipulated first time round.

Fortunately the British people, rather like many of the Americans who had a similar experience with Trump, have changed their minds with all polls pointing towards a Remain majority.





But it's forcing people to change their minds. There was a democratic vote and people voted. You lost. Why should you even get to vote if you want to live elsewhere?


The rising note of sheer panic in Leavers posts is a thing to behold. No-one is forcing anyone to change their minds. It's going to be a free vote, and despite it being completely open (this time) and totally democratic Leavers can't handle the idea that truth is more likely to dominate any campaign. No more £350m for the NHS. No more Turkey joining the EU. No more ‘Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market’, and finally, we shall expect to see a Brexit plan - timetabled, costed and agreed by the EU too. Not a 'just leave, they can whistle for the money we owe them' drivel.

And I still live here, and so I get to vote. Tough shit....
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Cannydc » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:36 pm

Guest wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
calitom wrote:
Gigabit wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683

It is on, as long as Conference votes for it.

CHANGE. IS. COMING.


what kind of change do you mean? and if brexit loses this time do you go for 2 out of 3?? or do you just quit when you finally have the 'correct result'?


Never changed your mind ?

Surely you have.

Well, so can we - especially when we find that we were lied to, exploited and manipulated first time round.

Fortunately the British people, rather like many of the Americans who had a similar experience with Trump, have changed their minds with all polls pointing towards a Remain majority.




You carry on believing that. Trump is doing fine despite the lefts attempts. People can see what's going on and it's back firing on the Dems badly.
Pretty much what will happen if another brexit vote is forced


So enjoyed watching Trump get laughed at by the rest of the world today. To his face.

What a smack in the mouth to him, and to the dignity of the American people.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Cannydc » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:47 pm

Wonderful news from the conference...

Labour conference delegates overwhelmingly backed the party’s Brexit policy on Tuesday after Keir Starmer sparked a burst of sustained applause for dropping into his conference speech the line that “nobody is ruling out remain as an option”.

In a compromise brokered by Starmer and backed by the vast majority of delegates in a show of hands on Tuesday, Labour’s formal position is that the party will seek a public vote on Brexit if parliament rejects Theresa May’s deal and it cannot force a general election.

Another step in the right direction.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby MungoBrush » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:29 am

Cannydc wrote:Wonderful news from the conference...

Labour conference delegates overwhelmingly backed the party’s Brexit policy on Tuesday after Keir Starmer sparked a burst of sustained applause for dropping into his conference speech the line that “nobody is ruling out remain as an option”.

In a compromise brokered by Starmer and backed by the vast majority of delegates in a show of hands on Tuesday, Labour’s formal position is that the party will seek a public vote on Brexit if parliament rejects Theresa May’s deal and it cannot force a general election.

Another step in the right direction.


And here’s me thinking that Corbyn wanted “For the many, not the few”
The many voted to leave
That was a democratic vote
Labour is now anti democracy
Labour now has given in to the few.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Red Okktober » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:24 pm

Cannydc wrote:Never changed your mind ?

Surely you have.

Well, so can we - especially when we find that we were lied to, exploited and manipulated first time round.

Fortunately the British people, rather like many of the Americans who had a similar experience with Trump, have changed their minds with all polls pointing towards a Remain majority.


You're embarrassing yourself now canny with this - it's been over 27 months and you're still banging on about having another vote because your side lost.

Of course people change their minds, what counts though is the mind-set at the time of voting. And of course politics is riddled with exploitation and manipulation - do you think politicians are honest and transparent? Do you believe every party ever voted into power has always delivered all promises in their manifestos?

You are wanting to re-write history, based on people changing their minds. Should we go back through history and claim every PM we've ever had, should never have been allowed in number 10, because people went on to change their minds about them?

What happens is canny, when people change their minds, they vote differently at the next referendum/election, they don't go back to the previous one and have another go. Which is why you see alternating parties in power. And now the public has changed it's mind since the 1975 EU referendum, and has voted to leave this time around. You and your fellow whinging lily-livered nancy boys of the liberal/left will just have take it on the chin and wait for the next EU referendum, and hope the vote goes your way this time, rather than perpetually stamping your feet about the last one.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Cannydc » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:57 pm

Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Never changed your mind ?

Surely you have.

Well, so can we - especially when we find that we were lied to, exploited and manipulated first time round.

Fortunately the British people, rather like many of the Americans who had a similar experience with Trump, have changed their minds with all polls pointing towards a Remain majority.


You're embarrassing yourself now canny with this - it's been over 27 months and you're still banging on about having another vote because your side lost.

Of course people change their minds, what counts though is the mind-set at the time of voting. And of course politics is riddled with exploitation and manipulation - do you think politicians are honest and transparent? Do you believe every party ever voted into power has always delivered all promises in their manifestos?

You are wanting to re-write history, based on people changing their minds. Should we go back through history and claim every PM we've ever had, should never have been allowed in number 10, because people went on to change their minds about them?

What happens is canny, when people change their minds, they vote differently at the next referendum/election, they don't go back to the previous one and have another go. Which is why you see alternating parties in power. And now the public has changed it's mind since the 1975 EU referendum, and has voted to leave this time around. You and your fellow whinging lily-livered nancy boys of the liberal/left will just have take it on the chin and wait for the next EU referendum, and hope the vote goes your way this time, rather than perpetually stamping your feet about the last one.


Just to repeat....

"The rising note of sheer panic in Leavers posts is a thing to behold."

Events are going to overtake the rest of your post, probably by a general election. We won't be sold another pup by Treeza and her band of incompetents. Her "deal" won't get through parliament. Change is coming.
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Re: Corbyn WILL back a second ref!

Postby Guest » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:02 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Never changed your mind ?

Surely you have.

Well, so can we - especially when we find that we were lied to, exploited and manipulated first time round.

Fortunately the British people, rather like many of the Americans who had a similar experience with Trump, have changed their minds with all polls pointing towards a Remain majority.


You're embarrassing yourself now canny with this - it's been over 27 months and you're still banging on about having another vote because your side lost.

Of course people change their minds, what counts though is the mind-set at the time of voting. And of course politics is riddled with exploitation and manipulation - do you think politicians are honest and transparent? Do you believe every party ever voted into power has always delivered all promises in their manifestos?

You are wanting to re-write history, based on people changing their minds. Should we go back through history and claim every PM we've ever had, should never have been allowed in number 10, because people went on to change their minds about them?

What happens is canny, when people change their minds, they vote differently at the next referendum/election, they don't go back to the previous one and have another go. Which is why you see alternating parties in power. And now the public has changed it's mind since the 1975 EU referendum, and has voted to leave this time around. You and your fellow whinging lily-livered nancy boys of the liberal/left will just have take it on the chin and wait for the next EU referendum, and hope the vote goes your way this time, rather than perpetually stamping your feet about the last one.


Just to repeat....

"The rising note of sheer panic in Leavers posts is a thing to behold."

Events are going to overtake the rest of your post, probably by a general election. We won't be sold another pup by Treeza and her band of incompetents. Her "deal" won't get through parliament. Change is coming.


You supporting labour again now?
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