Religion and politics

[philagain]

EXACTLY.

ohhhhhhh but fenella goes to church..............so she's forgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And a real Christian too. Dont forget that one.

IMO....It is OK to be a Christian, as long as they don't impose their beliefs on others, through the political system, to damage the the new legislation!
They have tried and they have failed!.......Stick to your pulpits and empty pews!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[forgiven]

EXACTLY.

ohhhhhhh but fenella goes to church..............so she's forgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And a real Christian too. Dont forget that one.

IMO....It is OK to be a Christian, as long as they don't impose their beliefs on others, through the political system, to damage the the new legislation!
They have tried and they have failed!.......Stick to your pulpits and empty pews!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

You cannot be a true Christian unless you share your beliefs with others ... Fenella will tell you

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Kin James version)
When politics and religion conflict, Christians are compelled to give gods law precedent...
Acts 5:29 reads... 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
For instance, the bible condemns homosexuality and sodomy. Therefore, a Christian parent should subject to their child being subjected to the teaching and acceptance of such practices in the school education system, even to the point of withdrawing their child from such lessons on religious grounds.

[charlie]

I've split this from the amnesty thread because it's an interesting subject.

So the question is - should people keep their religion to themselves or should they try to influence society according to their beliefs?

I see nothing wrong with the Church having it's say when there are issues in society they don't agree with. For example, the issue of embryo research. The Church is largely opposed to that and I agree with them so I'm pleased that the Church spoke up against it. I'm pleased that there are people out there who see that messing with unborn life is immoral and detrimental to society.

I'm pleased that someone speaks up against lifestyle abortions too - the Church is right to denounce that kind of thing IMO.

When the Catholic Church said that they would not comply with the new laws which prevented them from denying gay people the right to adopt, they got a lot of criticism from people who said they should abandon their beliefs and allow gay people to adopt. The Church responded by saying they would rather close their adoption agencies. I think it's their right to do that if they simply can't agree with the law. There are other adoption agencies which gay people can use so they weren't being denied the right to adopt altogether.

However, there has to be a balance between respecting religious beliefs and discriminating against certain groups. We all have to live in the real world, and that usually entails having to put up with things we don't agree with. It's not right that religious beliefs should result in people being discriminated against to the extent that it affects them badly or makes them feel they're being picked on or hounded.

[Rollup.]

Jesus made no attempt to become political.
he preached about Gods kingdom being the answer to mans problems.
If you read in revelation about the destruction of babylon the great it fits the catholic church to a tee.
The incense the carved wood purple robes gold etc.
Babylon the greats seat of power being on seven hills ...the seven hills of Rome?
Called mother of the harlots in the book ...the catholic church declares itself the mother of all churches.
These churches speak of themselves as the bride of christ but the book says they fornicated with the kings of the earth.
The catholics imprisoned tortured and killed for centuries ...anyone teaching from the bible c os it would expose them for what they really are ...counterfiet ...and all her daughters too. In the book babylon the great is said to be the killer of the saints or holy ones.
But ...the church of england fills its temples with the flags of war ...has special rememberance days and even graves and stuff inside its churches revering ...comemerating kings politicians and generals.
The bishops live in palaces and dine with royalty.
The catholic bishops urge their troops to kill fellow catholics as do the protestant ones in times of war.
No resemblance whatsoever to xtrianity.
Just before jc dies he foretells of wolves in sheeps clothing taking over the congegations.
No wonder he says he knows none of you.
No wonder he called the religous leaders vipers and sons of satan and then hung out with the crooks and prostitutes saying these are the people he had come to save.

How anyone can be so deluded as to think they remotely resemble what a christian should be is beyond me.

[Hermann]

Who knows what Jesus said or did'nt say..It's all hearsay.
There is no written record of his words or even his so called Sermon On The Mount, and over a period of nearly 3,000 years much of what he might have said has been invented, misconstrued and distorted to such an extent that none of it makes sense anymore in this day and age.

No-one even knows when his birthday was or where his crucifixion took place, nor where he was buried.
It's all a great story compiled by the ancient religious scribes who wrote the Bible, but the whole story does not stand up to close scrutiny. The remains of early humans who lived millions of years before the ludicrous Adam and Eve story have been excavated in Africa and other parts of the world, proving that there was human life long before the Garden of Eden ever existed..if it existed at all.


The biggest error they made when creating the Biblical story of Jesus was the story of the Divine Creation. That was a miracle too far and totally unbelievable to anyone with any intelligence.

[Stooo]

Who knows what Jesus said or did'nt say..It's all hearsay.
There is no written record of his words or even his so called Sermon On The Mount, and over a period of nearly 3,000 years much of what he might have said has been invented, misconstrued and distorted to such an extent that none of it makes sense anymore in this day and age.

No-one even knows when his birthday was or where his crucifixion took place, nor where he was buried.
It's all a great story compiled by the ancient religious scribes who wrote the Bible, but the whole story does not stand up to close scrutiny.

The biggest error they made when creating the Biblical story of Jesus was the story of the Divine Creation. That was a miracle too far and totally unbelievable to anyone with any intelligence.

The Bible is simply a collection of chosen stories from the ages, compiled by the the first Christian council as a guide to how to live your life and act within society as all religious texts are.

[Hermann]

Who knows what Jesus said or did'nt say..It's all hearsay.
There is no written record of his words or even his so called Sermon On The Mount, and over a period of nearly 3,000 years much of what he might have said has been invented, misconstrued and distorted to such an extent that none of it makes sense anymore in this day and age.

No-one even knows when his birthday was or where his crucifixion took place, nor where he was buried.
It's all a great story compiled by the ancient religious scribes who wrote the Bible, but the whole story does not stand up to close scrutiny.

The biggest error they made when creating the Biblical story of Jesus was the story of the Divine Creation. That was a miracle too far and totally unbelievable to anyone with any intelligence.

The Bible is simply a collection of chosen stories from the ages, compiled by the the first Christian council as a guide to how to live your life and act within society as all religious texts are.

Yes, I will even accept that, but why all the ridiculous unbelievable miracles that were supposed to have been performed by this man called Jesus?

Had he lived long enough to have read his own life story in the Bible I'm sure he would have been seriously disappointed at the way he had been portrayed as a magician and some kind of superman, when in fact he was a simple living man from a poor family, born into humble surroundings and was just an ordinary down to earth person.