When did House GOP leader first know whistleblower was lying

[Cactus Jack]

Much of the circus of failed impeachments and 'hearings' that have only humiliated the GOP were started because a man called Alexander Smirnov made allegations against Hunter Biden, allegations that included Joe Biden

Those allegations were false - that has been determined as a fact.

The in depth investigation, carried out while Donald Trump was president, showed

In truth and fact, the Defendant [Smirnov] had contact with executives from Burisma in 2017, after the end of the Obama-Biden Administration and after the then Ukrainian Prosecutor General had been fired in February 2016, in other words, when [Joe Biden] had no ability to influence U.S. policy and when the Prosecutor General was no longer in office.

https://www.mediaite.com/biden/just-in- ... -business/

In other words, as is so often the case with conspiracy theories, timelines are confused and misrepresented in order to create an impression of an alternative set of facts that does not stand up to scrutiny.

That the allegations against Hunter and Joe Biden are false is therefore something that has been known by intelligence agencies and the FBI for some time. And this now creates a second question.

Whilst these sensative sources of intelligence have only just been made public there is little to no doubt that high level elected representatives, and in particular those in intelligence oversight, would have been made aware of these facts long ago - and well before the sham hearings that have wasted millions of dollars in public money were launched.

So now the question is this.

When were top level Republicans first made aware that the entire foundation of their already tenuous investigation had been completely destroyed before the first day of the first hearing?

Will they investigate who was behind the egrigious misrepresentation of facts that has brought them into such disrepute?

And will they apologise to Hunter Biden and to the American people for what has been proven to be - not merely wished away as - a politically motivated Witch Hunt?

If I were guessing I would say they will never do that.

[Holly]

Hmmm, interesting, although I'm pretty sure CJ will call that man a liar, even though he's got evidence.

Key Excerpts from Tony Bobulinski’s Transcribed Interview
https://oversight.house.gov/blog/key-ex ... interview/

[Cactus Jack]

I don't need to say, or to prove, anything.

What I asked was whether the leaders of the GOP knew they were speaking to one witness already proven to have lied.

The allegations being made are serious but, contrary to what MAGA-world seems to think, it's ones making the allegations need to come up with credible witnesses - the sort of witness a jury will find credible - not those defending them.

Simple examination of the fact pattern shows that Bobulinski isn't that witness

https://newrepublic.com/article/178960/ ... inski-past

Of course you could say that Bobulinski wasn't lying. You could say that he was just repeating information allegedly passed to him by James Gilliar, a man who claimed, to Bobulinski, to be a British Intelligence agent, claimed to work for the Biden family and claimed to have been given unfettered access to all emails and text messages but has produced none that can be verified - and Bobulinski himself seems to have doubted the veracity of Gilliar's claims until after he had three secret meeting with the Trump campaign.

So if you want to accept third hand hearsay that not even the Republicans find remotely credible you can do so - but remember that you have also rejected out of hand first hand accounts of a sexual assault from a person two juries have found in favour of.

Were I in that position I would start to question my critical thinking skills.

[Holly]

I don't need to say, or to prove, anything.

What I asked was whether the leaders of the GOP knew they were speaking to one witness already proven to have lied.

The allegations being made are serious but, contrary to what MAGA-world seems to think, it's ones making the allegations need to come up with credible witnesses - the sort of witness a jury will find credible - not those defending them.

Simple examination of the fact pattern shows that Bobulinski isn't that witness

https://newrepublic.com/article/178960/ ... inski-past

Of course you could say that Bobulinski wasn't lying. You could say that he was just repeating information allegedly passed to him by James Gilliar, a man who claimed, to Bobulinski, to be a British Intelligence agent, claimed to work for the Biden family and claimed to have been given unfettered access to all emails and text messages but has produced none that can be verified - and Bobulinski himself seems to have doubted the veracity of Gilliar's claims until after he had three secret meeting with the Trump campaign.

So if you want to accept third hand hearsay that not even the Republicans find remotely credible you can do so - but remember that you have also rejected out of hand first hand accounts of a sexual assault from a person two juries have found in favour of.

Were I in that position I would start to question my critical thinking skills.

Are you saying Biden isn't corrupt?
I believe every single word Babulinski said, plus he has receipts.

That video where Biden bragged that he had the Ukrainian prosecutor fired, said it all.
This isn't over by a long shot.

[Cactus Jack]

I believe every single word Babulinski said, plus he has receipts.

If you read your own link, and check on the transcripts of the interviews, you will find that no-one claims Bobulinski 'has receipts' - not even Bobulinski himself.

He says that he had conversations with James Gilliar, and that James Gilliar has the alleged receipts.

He made that claim after his third meeting with the Trump campaign.

He has yet to release, or presumably to persuade James Gilliar to release, any substantiating evidence.

Unlike the recent Civil fraud case against Donald Trump where the weight of substaniating evidence was so overwhelming that the Trump Organisation did not even contest the first count - persistent fraud - and only sought to contest the other counts where the DA was required to prove intent.

[Cactus Jack]

Is Bobulinski another instance, like Alexander Smirnov, where the GOP already know the 'evidence' they are touting has been investigated and found to be false by the intelligence services?

Which brings us back to the question of when they knew, as even they now admit, Alexander Smirnov lied.

Was it before they wasted millions of tax-payer dollars on a sham impeachment to cover for their Rapist leader?

[Guest]

Is Bobulinski another instance, like Alexander Smirnov, where the GOP already know the 'evidence' they are touting has been investigated and found to be false by the intelligence services?

Which brings us back to the question of when they knew, as even they now admit, Alexander Smirnov lied.

Was it before they wasted millions of tax-payer dollars on a sham impeachment to cover for their Rapist leader?

Is that the same Alexander Smirnov who paid $2 million through a bank partly owned by Anton Postolnikov, a former Russian government official, to Donald Trump's failing social media platform Truth Social?

[Cactus Jack]

Is Bobulinski another instance, like Alexander Smirnov, where the GOP already know the 'evidence' they are touting has been investigated and found to be false by the intelligence services?

Which brings us back to the question of when they knew, as even they now admit, Alexander Smirnov lied.

Was it before they wasted millions of tax-payer dollars on a sham impeachment to cover for their Rapist leader?

Is that the same Alexander Smirnov who paid $2 million through a bank partly owned by Anton Postolnikov, a former Russian government official, to Donald Trump's failing social media platform Truth Social?

Are you referring to this?

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-r ... ov-1863947

Postolnikov is reportedly the nephew of Aleksander Smirnov, a former deputy minister of justice in Russia who worked in President Vladimir Putin's executive office for an unknown amount of time up to 2017. He also owns the Dominican bank Paxum that is involved with the porn industry, according to the Miami Herald. He has not been charged with any wrongdoing, but FBI search warrant applications have shown he had a relationship with three defendants in a New York securities fraud case

[Cactus Jack]

Just a quick revisit to sum up the story so far.

Not only has it now emerged that the 'unimpeachable' witness the GOP have touted was saying things that were proveably untrue, as verified by contemporeneous documentary evidence, his own contradictory narrative and corroborated counter intelligence, but it is also clear the GOP members supporting his claims were aware of this before they repeated those proveably false claims - if not for immunity under the speech and debate clause they could be sued for libel with actual malice - much like Fox News was over the bogus election claims.

At the same time it has emerged their 'unimpeachable' witness made, and later materially altered, statement following meetings with members of Trump's campaign.

Then there's the Russian bank owned by a Putin Ally that mainly makes its money from investing in gay porn 'investing' $5 million in Donald Trump's failing social media platform Truth Social.

So I'm waiting for the MAGA morons to start demanding an investigation into this waste of congress' time and taxpayer money.

I suspect I'm going to have a long wait

[Holly]

Don't you think you're just a little bit obsessed with Trump and the MAGA "morons"...?
If you think Trump is finished, then go and enjoy your victory, you should be elated, exhilarated, delighted, overjoyed at his downfall, rather than posting one hate filled post after the other.
Could it be that perhaps you ain't sure, and have to continuously try to convince yourself?

[Cactus Jack]

:thud:
Don't you think you're just a little bit obsessed with Trump and the MAGA "morons"...?
If you think Trump is finished, then go and enjoy your victory, you should be elated, exhilarated, delighted, overjoyed at his downfall, rather than posting one hate filled post after the other.
Could it be that perhaps you ain't sure, and have to continuously try to convince yourself?

Sorry I didn't catch when you think the investigation into the congress members who knowingly and maliciously defamed a private citizen should begin.

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:thud:
Don't you think you're just a little bit obsessed with Trump and the MAGA "morons"...?
If you think Trump is finished, then go and enjoy your victory, you should be elated, exhilarated, delighted, overjoyed at his downfall, rather than posting one hate filled post after the other.
Could it be that perhaps you ain't sure, and have to continuously try to convince yourself?

'To be fair - and i'm sure you strive to be a fair-minded person, Holly -you are arguably just as "obsessed" -(if you want to use that word). You post as many essays as anyone else. And there has always been endless talk on here of Hunter Biden's crimes, his laptop, etc, etc, mostly from you.

Now that we know that the star witness - the key informant on whom the whole Biden snr + jr impeachments hinged, was a paid stooge telling a pack of lies, that news surely should be given the same amount of coverage as the endless coverage you gave to Hunter Biden's laptop and his various alleged crimes, while not allowing anyone to say a single bad word about the Trump children.
Seems the informant was just a bribed-up stooge and a double agent. Why should posters not mention it?

Few months earlier a Chinese(?) guy, another of their 'informants' was also indicted for fabricating serious allegations.

And the guy who made the movie 1,000 Mules has now admitted that the whole thing was a pack of disgusting lies.

Bent as cockscrews, the whole sorry lot of them!!

[Holly]

:thud:
Don't you think you're just a little bit obsessed with Trump and the MAGA "morons"...?
If you think Trump is finished, then go and enjoy your victory, you should be elated, exhilarated, delighted, overjoyed at his downfall, rather than posting one hate filled post after the other.
Could it be that perhaps you ain't sure, and have to continuously try to convince yourself?

'To be fair - and i'm sure you strive to be a fair-minded person, Holly -you are arguably just as "obsessed" -(if you want to use that word). You post as many essays as anyone else. And there has always been endless talk on here of Hunter Biden's crimes, his laptop, etc, etc, mostly from you.

Now that we know that the star witness - the key informant on whom the whole Biden snr + jr impeachments hinged, was a paid stooge telling a pack of lies, that news surely should be given the same amount of coverage as the endless coverage you gave to Hunter Biden's laptop and his various alleged crimes, while not allowing anyone to say a single bad word about the Trump children.
Seems the informant was just a bribed-up stooge and a double agent. Why should posters not mention it?

Few months earlier a Chinese(?) guy, another of their 'informants' was also indicted for fabricating serious allegations.

And the guy who made the movie 1,000 Mules has now admitted that the whole thing was a pack of disgusting lies.

Bent as cockscrews, the whole sorry lot of them!!

Are you for real?
I don't post daily essays about Biden or his laptop.
The last time I actually mentioned that word was about 6 month ago, and it's usually just in reply to CJs "essays"
To be fair - and I'm sure you strive to be a fair-minded person yourself T, you'll find that most of the time I post anything about Biden/Hunter/Trump, is in reply to someone.

No way can you compare that with CJs daily barrage of posts about all things bad about Trump.
So in the interest of fairness, I just point out that Biden isn't exactly an innocent lamb either, even though MSM is trying very hard to convince us that he is.
Would CJ not be so obsessed with Trump, I wouldn't bother too much about Biden tbh.

And yes, it's mostly me pointing that out, since most members here are left leaning and wouldn't say a bad word about the Bidens.
You can hardly call that obsessed, as a successful forum owner yourself, you should know, that to keep a forum going, Admin should get involved with their members and the subjects they post about, right?

[Stooo]

So in the interest of fairness, I just point out that Biden isn't exactly an innocent lamb either

Compared to what exactly?

He's the angel fucking Gabriel compared to Trump

[Holly]

So in the interest of fairness, I just point out that Biden isn't exactly an innocent lamb either

Compared to what exactly?

He's the angel fucking Gabriel compared to Trump

Yes, yes, of course he is.
Have you looked at the state America's been in for the last 3 years?

ETA; Did you know Gabriel is Lucifer's brother?