After Brexit #2

[Stooo]

Stitched upper lip...

[Maddog]

Stitched upper lip...

What you need to do is see which countries are heavily reliant on gas to create energy.

But that would require you to challenge your own biases.

You don't do that. You're a one trick poney.

[Avon Barksdale]

Stitched upper lip...

What you need to do is see which countries are heavily reliant on gas to create energy.

But that would require you to challenge your own biases.

You don't do that. You're a one trick poney.

The problem is a combination of us being over reliant on certain forms of renewable energy which have fallen short, global wholesale price rises and wranglings between Russia & the EU apparently.

[Maddog]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... rgy-crisis


Not a single mention of Brexit.

Might be educational for a few folks to read this, assuming they want more information.

Fuck me, I'm sitting here in Texas amd spent a few minutes reading and was up to speed on the problem.

It's not that different than what we experienced last winter, although we don't have gas shortages. We were just more reliant on gas and it froze in our pipelines.

[Avon Barksdale]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/21/what-caused-the-uks-energy-crisis


Not a single mention of Brexit.

Might be educational for a few folks to read this, assuming they want more information.

Fuck me, I'm sitting here in Texas amd spent a few minutes reading and was up to speed on the problem.

It's not that different than what we experienced last winter, although we don't have gas shortages. We were just more reliant on gas and it froze in our pipelines.

Yes, but if we had remained in the EU our position would have been better as the collective power of the bloc would have meant less reliance on having to go to the global marketplace at a time of restricted supply and high prices to take whatever we can get.

I think that was part of the original point the Guest was making - not caused by Brexit but made worse by it.

[Maddog]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/21/what-caused-the-uks-energy-crisis


Not a single mention of Brexit.

Might be educational for a few folks to read this, assuming they want more information.

Fuck me, I'm sitting here in Texas amd spent a few minutes reading and was up to speed on the problem.

It's not that different than what we experienced last winter, although we don't have gas shortages. We were just more reliant on gas and it froze in our pipelines.

Yes, but if we had remained in the EU our position would have been better as the collective power of the bloc would have meant less reliance on having to go to the global marketplace at a time of restricted supply and high prices to take whatever we can get.

I think that was part of the original point the Guest was making - not caused by Brexit but made worse by it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ply-crunch

This fire would have happened regardless.

The one thing that the UK needs is more gas storage.

But that's a fossil fuel amd Greta might call out the UK if they were to build such evil things.

[Avon Barksdale]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/21/what-caused-the-uks-energy-crisis


Not a single mention of Brexit.

Might be educational for a few folks to read this, assuming they want more information.

Fuck me, I'm sitting here in Texas amd spent a few minutes reading and was up to speed on the problem.

It's not that different than what we experienced last winter, although we don't have gas shortages. We were just more reliant on gas and it froze in our pipelines.

Yes, but if we had remained in the EU our position would have been better as the collective power of the bloc would have meant less reliance on having to go to the global marketplace at a time of restricted supply and high prices to take whatever we can get.

I think that was part of the original point the Guest was making - not caused by Brexit but made worse by it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ply-crunch

This fire would have happened regardless.

The one thing that the UK needs is more gas storage.

But that's a fossil fuel amd Greta might call out the UK if they were to build such evil things.

Or nuclear or a reliable source of renewable energy.

The world's first trillionaire will be the person who can crack the energy issue in a time of climate change.

[Maddog]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... jor-u-turn

And basing your energy production on a product you won't even drill for isn't a great move either.

Perhaps Brexit has a miniscule effect on gas prices, but I'm not really sure how. The cure is pretty simple, but probably not politically feasible any more..

[Maddog]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/21/what-caused-the-uks-energy-crisis


Not a single mention of Brexit.

Might be educational for a few folks to read this, assuming they want more information.

Fuck me, I'm sitting here in Texas amd spent a few minutes reading and was up to speed on the problem.

It's not that different than what we experienced last winter, although we don't have gas shortages. We were just more reliant on gas and it froze in our pipelines.

Yes, but if we had remained in the EU our position would have been better as the collective power of the bloc would have meant less reliance on having to go to the global marketplace at a time of restricted supply and high prices to take whatever we can get.

I think that was part of the original point the Guest was making - not caused by Brexit but made worse by it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ply-crunch

This fire would have happened regardless.

The one thing that the UK needs is more gas storage.

But that's a fossil fuel amd Greta might call out the UK if they were to build such evil things.

Or nuclear or a reliable source of renewable energy.

The world's first trillionaire will be the person who can crack the energy issue in a time of climate change.

Yes, the French have it figured out. They will use reliable, nuclear energy until that trillionaire and her technology comes along.

[Avon Barksdale]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/02/fracking-banned-in-uk-as-government-makes-major-u-turn

And basing your energy production on a product you won't even drill for isn't a great move either.

Perhaps Brexit has a miniscule effect on gas prices, but I'm not really sure how. The cure is pretty simple, but probably not politically feasible any more..

Doubt any Government will resurrect fracking any time soon, Labour or Conservative.

That argument is effectively over in the UK.

[Avon Barksdale]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/21/what-caused-the-uks-energy-crisis


Not a single mention of Brexit.

Might be educational for a few folks to read this, assuming they want more information.

Fuck me, I'm sitting here in Texas amd spent a few minutes reading and was up to speed on the problem.

It's not that different than what we experienced last winter, although we don't have gas shortages. We were just more reliant on gas and it froze in our pipelines.

Yes, but if we had remained in the EU our position would have been better as the collective power of the bloc would have meant less reliance on having to go to the global marketplace at a time of restricted supply and high prices to take whatever we can get.

I think that was part of the original point the Guest was making - not caused by Brexit but made worse by it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ply-crunch

This fire would have happened regardless.

The one thing that the UK needs is more gas storage.

But that's a fossil fuel amd Greta might call out the UK if they were to build such evil things.

Or nuclear or a reliable source of renewable energy.

The world's first trillionaire will be the person who can crack the energy issue in a time of climate change.

Yes, the French have it figured out. They will use reliable, nuclear energy until that trillionaire and her technology comes along.

Yep, pretty much.

Energy is going to be a huge issue politically. I wonder which country in the Middle East has massive deposits of lithium carbonate and how that will change geo-politics...

[Stooo]

Yep, pretty much.

Energy is going to be a huge issue politically. I wonder which country in the Middle East has massive deposits of lithium carbonate and how that will change geo-politics...

Afghanistan for a start, transportation is another issue that may cause war.

[Stooo]

In November 2015, National Grid asked Vivid Economics to provide an assessment of the impact of leaving the EU (“Brexit”) on the UK’s energy sector, focusing on the impact of potentially leaving the Internal Energy Market (IEM). This report found that the overall impacts of Brexit on the energy sector are likely to be negative. Any potential benefits of Brexit are likely to be limited, given that the UK is committed to decarbonisation and air quality targets equal to or greater than EU requirements.

In March 2016, Vivid Economics published a note on the impact of Brexit on the UK energy sector, building on our work for National Grid and including a deeper discussion of potential impacts beyond departure from the IEM. This broader assessment found that the increase in the cost of investment due to the uncertainty arising from Brexit negotiations could also be a significant cost, given that the UK is undertaking a historic level of investment in energy infrastructure.

https://www.vivideconomics.com/casestud ... gy-sector/

There is a link to the report on that page.

[Avon Barksdale]

Yep, pretty much.

Energy is going to be a huge issue politically. I wonder which country in the Middle East has massive deposits of lithium carbonate and how that will change geo-politics...

Afghanistan for a start, transportation is another issue that may cause war.

And Iran, fuelling (pardon the pun) Western concerns about an Iran / China / Russia axis.

[Maddog]

In November 2015, National Grid asked Vivid Economics to provide an assessment of the impact of leaving the EU (“Brexit”) on the UK’s energy sector, focusing on the impact of potentially leaving the Internal Energy Market (IEM). This report found that the overall impacts of Brexit on the energy sector are likely to be negative. Any potential benefits of Brexit are likely to be limited, given that the UK is committed to decarbonisation and air quality targets equal to or greater than EU requirements.

In March 2016, Vivid Economics published a note on the impact of Brexit on the UK energy sector, building on our work for National Grid and including a deeper discussion of potential impacts beyond departure from the IEM. This broader assessment found that the increase in the cost of investment due to the uncertainty arising from Brexit negotiations could also be a significant cost, given that the UK is undertaking a historic level of investment in energy infrastructure.

https://www.vivideconomics.com/casestud ... gy-sector/

There is a link to the report on that page.

Yes, you're doing a better job at decarbonization.

It comes at a price the Germans are not yet paying.