Jacinder Ardern resigns

[.SF.]

She did get death threats - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... nda-ardern

And other jobs won't be 24/7

One drunken fool.

From the linked content:

"Researchers on the Te Pūnaha Matatini disinformation project, which monitors misinformation and online extremism, found that the level of violent rhetoric against the prime minister had risen exponentially in recent years, accompanying a parallel rise in New Zealand participation in online groups sharing misinformation, conspiracy theories and extremist language.

Researcher Dr Sanjana Hattotuwa said that this year[2022]the team had captured “the most significant increase in violent, vulgar, vicious, venomous commentary against the PM since the start of our study in mid-August 2021”.

“The vocabulary … has migrated from implicit and elusive references to her murder, assassination and rape now to explicit calls for it.”

[Holly]

She did get death threats - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... nda-ardern

And other jobs won't be 24/7

One drunken fool.

From the linked content:

"Researchers on the Te Pūnaha Matatini disinformation project, which monitors misinformation and online extremism, found that the level of violent rhetoric against the prime minister had risen exponentially in recent years, accompanying a parallel rise in New Zealand participation in online groups sharing misinformation, conspiracy theories and extremist language.

Researcher Dr Sanjana Hattotuwa said that this year[2022]the team had captured “the most significant increase in violent, vulgar, vicious, venomous commentary against the PM since the start of our study in mid-August 2021”.

“The vocabulary … has migrated from implicit and elusive references to her murder, assassination and rape now to explicit calls for it.”

Yes, she did get threats, many other politicians and celebrities get them too. It's a fact of life unfortunately and the world we live in now. She has never been harmed in any way though, and probably never will.

I wonder how many threads Boris Johnson, Trump, Biden, Trudeau, Macron etc get on a regular basis. I bet it's a lot more than Jacinder ever gets.
And the fact that oneline threats against her have risen, is probably because she has turned out to be one of the most disliked Pms. It started all well, but she turned into a proper little dictator and brought the country to its knees. A country which was once a paradise.

I'm not excusing that in any way, it's never nice to be threatened, arseholes will always be around, however, and like I said, I don't believe that's the reason she resigned.

And that's all I have to say about the subject of threats. I already gave my opinion a few times now. I'm not going to continue for another page or two saying the same thing over and over.

[Cactus Jack]

It seems that Holly and I agree to the extent we both think it's at least partly a political calculation by New Zealand's Labour party ahead of elections in October.

Much as international opinion place Jacinda on the left her policies were decidedly centrist. Her failure to take strong measures to address the housing crisis, her relative lack of action on climate change, right down to her faiure to at least decriminalise cannabis, something nearly two thirds of New Zealanders agree with.

Polling on issues rather than party affiliation in New Zealand shows that a shift to the left has taken place during Ardern's premiership and the way in which Chris Hipkins was elected unopposed suggest the Labour party there has responded to that.

[Holly]

It seems that Holly and I agree to the extent we both think it's at least partly a political calculation by New Zealand's Labour party ahead of elections in October.

Much as international opinion place Jacinda on the left her policies were decidedly centrist. Her failure to take strong measures to address the housing crisis, her relative lack of action on climate change, right down to her faiure to at least decriminalise cannabis, something nearly two thirds of New Zealanders agree with.

Polling on issues rather than party affiliation in New Zealand shows that a shift to the left has taken place during Ardern's premiership and the way in which Chris Hipkins was elected unopposed suggest the Labour party there has responded to that.

Oh no, do not think for a moment Jacinda is center left. She's the darling of the WEF and Klause Schwab. She couldn't lean anymore left without falling over if she tried. She's a socialist.
Her father it is said to be a Freemason. She herself was president of the International Union of Socialist Youth, where members called each other comrades.

[Cactus Jack]

I do love the way RWNJs try to throw the word socialist around as if they had the slightest clue what it meant.

I am a socialist and have been one ever since I was old enough to vote.

Jacinda Ardern is not a socialist, she's barely a centrist. She belongs in the same social democratic tradition as Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. I will vote for them because they're the least right wing viable candidates but they are waaaaaaay to the right of most progressives.

[Holly]

I do love the way RWNJs try to throw the word socialist around as if they had the slightest clue what it meant.

I am a socialist and have been one ever since I was old enough to vote.

Jacinda Ardern is not a socialist, she's barely a centrist. She belongs in the same social democratic tradition as Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. I will vote for them because they're the least right wing viable candidates but they are waaaaaaay to the right of most progressives.

This is where I stop talking to you again.

[Cactus Jack]

I do love the way RWNJs try to throw the word socialist around as if they had the slightest clue what it meant.

I am a socialist and have been one ever since I was old enough to vote.

Jacinda Ardern is not a socialist, she's barely a centrist. She belongs in the same social democratic tradition as Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. I will vote for them because they're the least right wing viable candidates but they are waaaaaaay to the right of most progressives.

This is where I stop talking to you again.

The irony is off the scale.

[Stooo]

I'm not dismissing it lightly, but people who threaten don't usually act up on it.

You're dismissing it lightly.

You have been tortured online for years and I admire your resilience, knowing his hatred how would you react if it came to personal threats?

[Stooo]

I do love the way RWNJs try to throw the word socialist around as if they had the slightest clue what it meant.

I am a socialist and have been one ever since I was old enough to vote.

Jacinda Ardern is not a socialist, she's barely a centrist. She belongs in the same social democratic tradition as Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. I will vote for them because they're the least right wing viable candidates but they are waaaaaaay to the right of most progressives.

Hah! I'm a socialist and a Lib-Dem but not a fan of our Labour party because they are not progressive enough. I don't expect instant results but I hope that my grandchildren will thrive after the utter fuck up that the last three generations have inflicted on the country after they were attracted by the sparkly things that they were promised by liars.

Electoral reform has to be the first on the list, I don't give a fuck if Farridge is gifted a seat because of PR because it shows him and the Reform (or whatever it is today) party up for the sheer lunacy that they come out with. My first venture into politics was when I was 18 and hanging around with the MRLP, there was a lot of alcohol involved and it's all a bit of a blur now but the point stands, it's actual representation, even twats should be at least heard before they get binned.

This will be a long road for the UK.

[Holly]

I'm not dismissing it lightly, but people who threaten don't usually act up on it.

You're dismissing it lightly.

You have been tortured online for years and I admire your resilience, knowing his hatred how would you react if it came to personal threats?

Jacinda just like all world leaders has a very capable security team behind her, as it showed when they arrested that man immediately.

Have you ever worried about the threats Trump, Boris, Elon or any other public figure you hate is getting? I doubt it.
I bet if the same threats were send to them, you and CJ would laugh it off, am I right, or would you worry about them too?

Let me ask you something.

Lets say you're a small business owner with a mortgage and a couple of kids and Jacinda locks you down for a whole year on and off. Just as you kind of recover from the first, boom, another lockdown never ending.

Eventually you have to shut your business and go on the dole, so do your staff. What now? You lost your business, can't pay your mortgage and don't know where the next meals for your kids is going to come from.
Would you still think Jacinda is wonderful?

She had police officers, fighter fighters and nurses sacked because they wouldn't take the jab.
She even had doctors suspended for daring to speak out about it.

You will say now, yes, but this happened everywhere.
What you need to understand, is that NZ for a start is very isolated from the rest of the world in the middle of the pacific, and has a population of only 5 million. Handling a crisis like that in such a small country should have been a lot easier than places like the US, Europe or even Britain.
She didn't need to be quite so tough for such a long time, destroying businesses and people's livelihood in general...and of course the economy.

Now all of a sudden, everything goes, no more mandates, masks etc...yet covid is still very much around. I had it, my partner had it, everybody just about had it.
So of course people are asking what that was all about.

[Holly]

I do love the way RWNJs try to throw the word socialist around as if they had the slightest clue what it meant.

I am a socialist and have been one ever since I was old enough to vote.

Jacinda Ardern is not a socialist, she's barely a centrist. She belongs in the same social democratic tradition as Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. I will vote for them because they're the least right wing viable candidates but they are waaaaaaay to the right of most progressives.

This is where I stop talking to you again.

The irony is off the scale.

Nothing at all to do with irony. We have a one on one conversation with each other and have done so for years, so if you want me to chat with you, you need to stop referring to me as a "nut job" As soon as you do that, it puts me off, and it's putting me down, don't you understand that? I have no problem you proving me wrong, but lets keep the insults out of it. I thought we're passed that.

I live in NZ, I see and hear how people feel about Jacinda, but you seem to think that you know more than I do. It's like me trying to tell you I know more about British politics than you do. Although I read a lot and watch BBC news, I don't live there, so don't really have the feel for it, and basically know jack shit.

Its like me telling you that many Kiwi's think Boris was great, and that you're wrong about him, and you're a LWNJ.

You, like Stooo seem to think people leaning towards the right are all idiot, nasty, want to destroy the world, want to destroy Democracy etc etc... that's so not true, that's what the left MSM wants you to believe, and you're slurping it up like a cat does a saucer of milk.

Yes, I don't deny that there are RWNJs around, just like there are LWNJs around. I'm not one of them though. I'm center right, I like to pick and choose some of the best parts from the left. No one side is always right while the other one is always wrong. But that seems to be the problem today, so much hate coming from both sides towards the other. No one wants to give an inch, it's scary the way we've all been egged on to hate each other, and how we've all been divided, when we all have the same goal in the end, to live happily and in peace.
Life is so fucking short, and what do we do? We fight each other just to be right. From wars, to inner political fights, to private arguments.

Yes I agree, far right policies are dangerous, just like far left policies are. Nutters on both sides.

[Holly]

This video is what has put a lot of people off even a year ago, especially the first few smug seconds, when she said there are two classes of people, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

The body language, the pulling of faces and her blotchy chest says more than her words.
She's very nervous and fidgety, I wonder why.

I would have been happy with Jacinda if she wasn't so far left and dictatorial. I voted for her, I was happy to see a woman at the helm, and happy for her that she was so well received oversees.
Anyway, I don't think much will change with our new PM anyway. He most likely will continue where Jacinda left off. What we need is a change of government policy, be it Labour or National.

[Cactus Jack]

Go onto gofundme - set up a page - raise some money.

Then see if you can buy a clue into what 'far left', 'socialist' and 'dictatorial' actually mean.

In fact I'll give you a clue for free

- protesters against Trump wore knitted hats.


- protesters for Trump carried guns

[Holly]

What's Trump got to do with Jacinda Ardern and her resignation?
I actually don't give a shit about Trump TBH.
This obsession you have with Trump is getting ridiculous and frankly worrisome.
Who cares about freaken knitted hats? We are in NZ, not America.

But just for the record, Trump is not a dictator, people were a lot better off with him on the helm.
Look what American's are going through now. Ask the average people on the street when they were better of, under Trump, or Biden, who is basically right now destroying the country. I don't even know where to begin with that shit he created, don't even get me started on his criminal son Hunter.

Just tell me, what exactly did Trump do wrong. What are you so afraid of? What do you think he would do if he were elected again? Not that I think he will.
But please, tell me what you think Trump would do to the country. Can you do that?

BTW, just as well people at the borders still have guns, at least they can protect themselves and their children from all these illegal immigrants who try to enter their homes, since Biden is not prepared to keep them safe.
Imagine if they don't have guns, they would be taken advantage of left, right, and center. They could be robbed and raped, but who cares, right?

People like you think they're all just lovely people trying to get a better life, work hard, pay taxes and become law abiding citizens, right? FFS, get real

There are are drug traffickers, human traffickers, murderers, criminals etc, plus the cartel crossing the border , and none of them get vetted. You think that's right?
They all could come across when Americans were forced to take the vax, had to wear masks, take tests etc...yet they could all just cross without any tests and put on flight to where ever they wanted to go. OK with you?

Here we go, watch this, yes, it's Fox news, but it's all on video, so it can hardly be denied. It's something you won't see on MSM... I wonder why? I tell you why, because MSM will always protect the left, it doesn't matter if they're wrong, How many time have they been proven wrong? Yet they keep going.

What exactly has the Biden administration done to make the average American's life better? How about NOTHING? They actually made it a lot worse.
Anyway, watch that video in that news item. Poor people? I don't think so. They keep throwing away food supplied by the tax payer. It's not good enough,appearendly.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6318553644112

[Cactus Jack]

But just for the record, Trump is not a dictator, people were a lot better off with him on the helm.

Is that what you think is the measure.

So Hitler, Stalin and Putin aren't dictators because some people were better off under their rule.