Zelenskys time might just be up.

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Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:00 am

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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Guest » Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:29 pm

The Russians are going to be revolting :yikes:

Putin’s facing more and more grumbles from his own people, and from his hard pressed troops who phone home telling their families the truth.

Vlad’s days are numbered.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Stooo » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:52 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:


And you replace him with what?
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:13 pm

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And you replace him with what?

A peace deal.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Guest » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:08 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:


And you replace him with what?

A peace deal.


That’s not going to happen, far from it, the Ukrainians might be struggling to make headway but they’re inching forward and, with their longer range artillery systems/rockets, they’re taking out Russian Ammo dumps, logistics, resupply, and reinforcements, way behind the Russian frontlines.

Russian HQ’s, barracks, airfields, ports and shipping, including naval vessels, are being smashed way way behind the front lines. So much damage is being caused in Russian rear areas, they’re finding it preset impossible to provide logistical supplies.

This is evident from the intercepted calls between Russian troops on the frontline calling their loved ones to tell them how desperate matters are. No food, no ammo and no replacements, because the latter are being destroyed by long range ordnance before they can even get to the frontline.

The mighty Russian black fleet has been nullified and can’t venture anywhere near Ukraine, Crimean military infrastructure is being blown to hell. The undefeatable S400 air defence systems, associated radar and electronic warfare systems are being blown to bits.

This is not coming from Ukraine, it’s coming from western intelligence agencies.

Anything Russian propaganda says is bullshit, anything ukraine says, and it doesn’t say much, is to he taken with a pinch of salt.

It’s why Putin is now changing tack, calling it a pointless war, and stating that it’s the Ukrainians who refuse to talk, trying to paint himself as the peacemaker thinking the west will now force Ukraine into talks, which would ease the burden on western countries. He’s a wily bastard, and not to be trusted.

Russia cannot produce war machines at the rate they’re being lost on the battlefield, so Putin wants time to build and train a huge army, and if he wins the election he will mobilise the Russian nation and declare all out war, because an election win, and Ukraine’s unwillingness for peace until every last Russian is ejected, will then be his reasons for massive attacks next year.

He has an infinite supply of manpower, unlike Ukraine, and he’s banking on a long haul and inevitable victory, if the west falls for this scam, he’s as transparent as piss!

As for the west, they must realise that, should Ukraine fall, Moldova will be next and nato will be directly facing Russian troops across a very long border fence. It would be madness to allow that to happen.

On the bright side, various countries are training Ukrainians on the F16, and sweden is doing likewise with the Saab gripen.
Gaining air superiority over the Russians would be a game changer for Ukraine, they’d control the course of the war by nullifying Russian aircraft and helicopters, add devastating air to ground munitions to obliterate Russian land forces and make Russian positions untenable. Which would allow the armoured brigades of Ukraine to attack without attack helicopters and fixed wing Russian airplanes from interfering.

Peace talks won’t happen unless the Ukrainians are bullied into it by the west, but even then they will refuse to agree terms, knowing full well that they’ll be stronger next year, with their best chance ever of defeating Putin.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Holly » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:56 am

Guest wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:


And you replace him with what?

A peace deal.


That’s not going to happen, far from it, the Ukrainians might be struggling to make headway but they’re inching forward and, with their longer range artillery systems/rockets, they’re taking out Russian Ammo dumps, logistics, resupply, and reinforcements, way behind the Russian frontlines.

Russian HQ’s, barracks, airfields, ports and shipping, including naval vessels, are being smashed way way behind the front lines. So much damage is being caused in Russian rear areas, they’re finding it preset impossible to provide logistical supplies.

This is evident from the intercepted calls between Russian troops on the frontline calling their loved ones to tell them how desperate matters are. No food, no ammo and no replacements, because the latter are being destroyed by long range ordnance before they can even get to the frontline.

The mighty Russian black fleet has been nullified and can’t venture anywhere near Ukraine, Crimean military infrastructure is being blown to hell. The undefeatable S400 air defence systems, associated radar and electronic warfare systems are being blown to bits.

This is not coming from Ukraine, it’s coming from western intelligence agencies.

Anything Russian propaganda says is bullshit, anything ukraine says, and it doesn’t say much, is to he taken with a pinch of salt.

It’s why Putin is now changing tack, calling it a pointless war, and stating that it’s the Ukrainians who refuse to talk, trying to paint himself as the peacemaker thinking the west will now force Ukraine into talks, which would ease the burden on western countries. He’s a wily bastard, and not to be trusted.

Russia cannot produce war machines at the rate they’re being lost on the battlefield, so Putin wants time to build and train a huge army, and if he wins the election he will mobilise the Russian nation and declare all out war, because an election win, and Ukraine’s unwillingness for peace until every last Russian is ejected, will then be his reasons for massive attacks next year.

He has an infinite supply of manpower, unlike Ukraine, and he’s banking on a long haul and inevitable victory, if the west falls for this scam, he’s as transparent as piss!

As for the west, they must realise that, should Ukraine fall, Moldova will be next and nato will be directly facing Russian troops across a very long border fence. It would be madness to allow that to happen.

On the bright side, various countries are training Ukrainians on the F16, and sweden is doing likewise with the Saab gripen.
Gaining air superiority over the Russians would be a game changer for Ukraine, they’d control the course of the war by nullifying Russian aircraft and helicopters, add devastating air to ground munitions to obliterate Russian land forces and make Russian positions untenable. Which would allow the armoured brigades of Ukraine to attack without attack helicopters and fixed wing Russian airplanes from interfering.

Peace talks won’t happen unless the Ukrainians are bullied into it by the west, but even then they will refuse to agree terms, knowing full well that they’ll be stronger next year, with their best chance ever of defeating Putin.


IMO you're dreaming if you think Ukraine can win this war, but what do I know, right?
Maybe that's why Zelensky bought those two yachts, so he and his can live in comfort when the shit hits the fan.
I'm sure the American tax payers will be more than happy to have been able to afford him that luxury.
I feel for the Ukrainian people who are left with a country in ruins and have gained nothing.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Holly » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:04 am

Then there's this
Did Ukraine's First Lady Spend $1.1M on Cartier Jewelry During September 2023 NYC Trip?

Ukrainian first lady Olena Zelenska spent $1,100,000 on Cartier jewelry and got a salesperson fired in the process during a visit to the U.S. with her husband, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in September 2023.

According to information collected by Boukari Ouédraogo from the Cartier store ex-employee, Olena Zelenska visited the boutique during her and her husband’s visit to New York. “I tried to take her on a quick tour, but she wasn’t interested,” the ex-employee further recalls.

Zelenska’s visit to the luxury boutique ended up in a very unexpected manner as she snapped at the employee who was trying to assist her with a “Who said I need your opinion?” rant. After that, according to the boutique ex-worker, Zelenska had a talk with the manager. The ex-worker has no idea what the discussion was about but the next day she got fired from the boutique.

After receiving a “you’re fired” call the next day after Zelenska’s visit, the ex-employee decided to share her story about the bizarre encounter on the Instagram. She has managed to sneak away a copy of a receipt containing Zelenska’s purchases while packing her personal belongings at the boutique.

According to the receipt, Zelenska has purchased a white gold bracelet with diamonds, a white gold necklace with diamonds and emeralds, and white gold earrings with diamonds, totaling $1,100,000.

The girl says she wouldn’t have gone public if Zelenska “had just spent all those stolen money [sic] and moved forward to the next luxury brand store.” However, the decision of the Ukrainian president’s wife to ruin the girl’s career for no reason has really pissed her off.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/olena ... r-jewelry/

Perhaps Poroshenko would have been the answer after all.
Zelensky is as crook as they come.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby HobbitFeet » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:58 am

your link says that story is false

Regardless of the ambiguous sourcing and suspect messaging, there is no plausible scenario that places Zelenska anywhere near Cartier on Fifth Avenue in New York City on Sept. 22, 2023, the date shown on the invoice in the viral video. That's because she and her husband left New York City on the evening of Sept. 20, and left the United States entirely on the evening of the Sept. 21.


and before you start that quote is from the article that YOU linked
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Holly » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:18 am

HobbitFeet wrote:your link says that story is false

Regardless of the ambiguous sourcing and suspect messaging, there is no plausible scenario that places Zelenska anywhere near Cartier on Fifth Avenue in New York City on Sept. 22, 2023, the date shown on the invoice in the viral video. That's because she and her husband left New York City on the evening of Sept. 20, and left the United States entirely on the evening of the Sept. 21.


and before you start that quote is from the article that YOU linked


So what? We know the media is biased and lying.
I bet everything that employee is saying is true.
She even showed the receipts.
If she was lying, she would get sued.
Zelensky is as crook and corrupt as they come, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd live the high life on the American's tax payers money.
Oh and the yachts...
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Guest » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:11 am

Holly wrote:
Guest wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:


And you replace him with what?

A peace deal.


That’s not going to happen, far from it, the Ukrainians might be struggling to make headway but they’re inching forward and, with their longer range artillery systems/rockets, they’re taking out Russian Ammo dumps, logistics, resupply, and reinforcements, way behind the Russian frontlines.

Russian HQ’s, barracks, airfields, ports and shipping, including naval vessels, are being smashed way way behind the front lines. So much damage is being caused in Russian rear areas, they’re finding it preset impossible to provide logistical supplies.

This is evident from the intercepted calls between Russian troops on the frontline calling their loved ones to tell them how desperate matters are. No food, no ammo and no replacements, because the latter are being destroyed by long range ordnance before they can even get to the frontline.

The mighty Russian black fleet has been nullified and can’t venture anywhere near Ukraine, Crimean military infrastructure is being blown to hell. The undefeatable S400 air defence systems, associated radar and electronic warfare systems are being blown to bits.

This is not coming from Ukraine, it’s coming from western intelligence agencies.

Anything Russian propaganda says is bullshit, anything ukraine says, and it doesn’t say much, is to he taken with a pinch of salt.

It’s why Putin is now changing tack, calling it a pointless war, and stating that it’s the Ukrainians who refuse to talk, trying to paint himself as the peacemaker thinking the west will now force Ukraine into talks, which would ease the burden on western countries. He’s a wily bastard, and not to be trusted.

Russia cannot produce war machines at the rate they’re being lost on the battlefield, so Putin wants time to build and train a huge army, and if he wins the election he will mobilise the Russian nation and declare all out war, because an election win, and Ukraine’s unwillingness for peace until every last Russian is ejected, will then be his reasons for massive attacks next year.

He has an infinite supply of manpower, unlike Ukraine, and he’s banking on a long haul and inevitable victory, if the west falls for this scam, he’s as transparent as piss!

As for the west, they must realise that, should Ukraine fall, Moldova will be next and nato will be directly facing Russian troops across a very long border fence. It would be madness to allow that to happen.

On the bright side, various countries are training Ukrainians on the F16, and sweden is doing likewise with the Saab gripen.
Gaining air superiority over the Russians would be a game changer for Ukraine, they’d control the course of the war by nullifying Russian aircraft and helicopters, add devastating air to ground munitions to obliterate Russian land forces and make Russian positions untenable. Which would allow the armoured brigades of Ukraine to attack without attack helicopters and fixed wing Russian airplanes from interfering.

Peace talks won’t happen unless the Ukrainians are bullied into it by the west, but even then they will refuse to agree terms, knowing full well that they’ll be stronger next year, with their best chance ever of defeating Putin.


IMO you're dreaming if you think Ukraine can win this war, but what do I know, right?
Maybe that's why Zelensky bought those two yachts, so he and his can live in comfort when the shit hits the fan.
I'm sure the American tax payers will be more than happy to have been able to afford him that luxury.
I feel for the Ukrainian people who are left with a country in ruins and have gained nothing.


The only winners at the end of this particular war will be the arms manufacturers, the innovations in air land and sea drones being the most dramatic changes in the manner in which war can be waged.
Like the allies at end of World War Two, apart from USA, both Russia and Ukraine will be pretty much fucked and will take years to rebuild.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Holly » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:11 pm

I feel so sad for the Ukrainian people.
What exactly is this war achieving for them?
A big part of the country is in ruins
Over 5 million people have been displaced.
How long will it take to rebuild that country?
Will Ukraine win that war?
I don't think so.
Do you?
I don't know what the answer is.
I just can't see Ukraine winning.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Guest » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:41 pm

Holly wrote:
HobbitFeet wrote:your link says that story is false

Regardless of the ambiguous sourcing and suspect messaging, there is no plausible scenario that places Zelenska anywhere near Cartier on Fifth Avenue in New York City on Sept. 22, 2023, the date shown on the invoice in the viral video. That's because she and her husband left New York City on the evening of Sept. 20, and left the United States entirely on the evening of the Sept. 21.


and before you start that quote is from the article that YOU linked


So what? We know the media is biased and lying.
I bet everything that employee is saying is true.
She even showed the receipts.
If she was lying, she would get sued.
Zelensky is as crook and corrupt as they come, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd live the high life on the American's tax payers money.
Oh and the yachts...
Next...


We know the media is biased and lying.


Except when it is publishing an article about something you agree with it would seem.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Stooo » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:08 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:A peace deal.


With the country that is constantly trying to annex your sovereign country through force and invasion?

Please explain.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Guest » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:42 pm

Holly wrote:I feel so sad for the Ukrainian people.
What exactly is this war achieving for them?
A big part of the country is in ruins
Over 5 million people have been displaced.
How long will it take to rebuild that country?
Will Ukraine win that war?
I don't think so.
Do you?
I don't know what the answer is.
I just can't see Ukraine winning.


They have to win, by any means, because if they don’t, they’ll always be attacked by their much bigger neighbour in Putin’s imperial plans to rebuild the Russian empire.
If they win, Putin will be really unpopular with his own people, and the easiest thing for them, after all their losses in men and war machinery, will be to lay the blame on Putin, and rid themselves of him.
That’s why Putin won’t stop, defeat will be the end of him.
If the Ukrainians recapture Crimea, he will be in the shit.
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Re: Zelenskys time might just be up.

Postby Text » Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:27 pm

Guest wrote:The only winners at the end of this particular war will be the arms manufacturers, the innovations in air land and sea drones being the most dramatic changes in the manner in which war can be waged.
Like the allies at end of World War Two, apart from USA, both Russia and Ukraine will be pretty much fucked and will take years to rebuild.


.. :thumbsup: All these never ending conflicts are depressing.
War time is obvs a very lucrative time for arms dealers. For them, PEACE sucks!! ..... they need constant conflict, for the opportunity to sell their machineries, jet fighters, rockets & God knows what.

During peacetime they probably constantly monitor all the potential war flashpoints around the world with the same eagerness that bankers & investors study the world's stock markets, waiting impatiently for some 'action'. :roll:

Quite perverse really. :eyebrow:
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