While we were playing with windmills...

[Stooo]

Why do you always tell people they are stressed or frightened?
I'm happily waiting for the change in story you believers are going to have to deal with.

It's not going to be your issue, it's down to your kids and grandkids to deal with or deny now.

Chill out.

OK I get it you're not the slightest bit interested in the truth leave it to your kids and grandkids to deal with!
I'm showing my kids and their kids the science so they aren't frightened by this bullshit.

If you're wrong (and the science and actual madder weather backs this up), how well do you feel your legacy will be considered?

Say what you like but the massive majority of scientists agree that we've fucked up the planet, posting the opinions of cranks and snake oil salesmen doesn't change that.

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Why do you always tell people they are stressed or frightened?
I'm happily waiting for the change in story you believers are going to have to deal with.

It's not going to be your issue, it's down to your kids and grandkids to deal with or deny now.

Chill out.

OK I get it you're not the slightest bit interested in the truth leave it to your kids and grandkids to deal with!
I'm showing my kids and their kids the science so they aren't frightened by this bullshit.

If you're wrong (and the science and actual madder weather backs this up), how well do you feel your legacy will be considered?

Say what you like but the massive majority of scientists agree that we've fucked up the planet, posting the opinions of cranks and snake oil salesmen doesn't change that.

Snake oil salesmen like these guys?
Nobel Prize-winning scientist Dr. John Clauser has testified that the man-made climate change narrative is a “hoax” perpetrated by the elite “to depopulate the planet.”

Dr. John Clauser, the co-winner of the 2022 Nobel Physics prize and one the world’s leading authorities on quantum mechanics, slammed the green agenda push by WEF-controlled countries as a “dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people.”

According to Dr. Clauser, the man-made climate change hoax is being perpetrated by government’s and media organizations who are bought and paid for by the globalist elite.

Dr. Clauser is not the first Nobel prize-winner to challenge the “settled” scientific and political narrative of “climate change.”

As The People’s Voice previously reported, the World Climate Declaration has been signed by by hundreds of scientists and professionals from around the world.

“There is no climate emergency,” the document states. https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... 215121.pdf

[Stooo]

He's based it on theoretical quantum entanglement, we're going to need a bit more that that while glaciers are melting along with permafrost in real time

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He's based it on theoretical quantum entanglement, we're going to need a bit more that that while glaciers are melting along with permafrost in real time

There's hundreds of these people not one.
The sun does not go around the sun in a circle vey often.
It's elliptical and often that ellipse is larger than other times.
How do you think ice ages and warm periods happen?
Then of course there's Jupiter and Saturn that have massive effects but people like you can't comprehend that beyond it being something to ridicule people with.

[Stooo]

He's based it on theoretical quantum entanglement, we're going to need a bit more that that while glaciers are melting along with permafrost in real time

There's hundreds of these people not one.
The sun does not go around the sun in a circle vey often.
It's elliptical and often that ellipse is larger than other times.
How do you think ice ages and warm periods happen?
Then of course there's Jupiter and Saturn that have massive effects but people like you can't comprehend that beyond it being something to ridicule people with.

He's a particle physicist, it's like asking an anaesthetist about brain surgery. Sure, he's got a theory about it...

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He's based it on theoretical quantum entanglement, we're going to need a bit more that that while glaciers are melting along with permafrost in real time

There's hundreds of these people not one.
The sun does not go around the sun in a circle vey often.
It's elliptical and often that ellipse is larger than other times.
How do you think ice ages and warm periods happen?
Then of course there's Jupiter and Saturn that have massive effects but people like you can't comprehend that beyond it being something to ridicule people with.

He's a particle physicist, it's like asking an anaesthetist about brain surgery. Sure, he's got a theory about it...

The Roman warm period was warmer than now to the extent they were growing grapes and producing wine along Hadrian's Wall.
These conditions were possibly the most perfect and stable in mans existence and aided the Romans to conquer the known world. A world of comfort and plenty. What caused it? What caused the medieval warm period? What caused the mini ice age that came after that? Just answer without trying to appear a smart arse. Have those forces ceased to exist?

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Many climate change scientists do not agree that global warming is happening
editor—The apocalyptic tone that Smith adopted in relation to the environment bears little relation to reality.1 In his editorial Smith asserts, “virtually all scientists agree that global warming is happening.” Global warming is now joining the list of “what everyone knows.”

Whether most scientists outside climatology believe that global warming is happening is less relevant than whether the climatologists do. A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action. We do not agree.”2 Those who have signed the letter represent the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists in the United States, of whom there are about 60. McMichael and Haines quote the 1995 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is widely believed to “prove” that climate change induced by humans has occurred.3 The original draft document did not say this. What happened was that the policymakers’ summary (which became the “take home message” for politicians) altered the conclusions of the scientists. This led Dr Frederick Seitz, former head of the United States National Academy of Sciences, to write, “In more than sixty years as a member of the American scientific community ... I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report.”4

Policymaking should be guided by proved fact, not speculation. Most members of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change believe that current climate models do not accurately po..... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1112950/
Such stuff of course never makes it to the BBC or the Guardian.

[LordRaven]

I thought this thread was about a need to increase energy production, mining and securing raw materials, plus increasing industrial production in the face of The Perceived Coming Storm brewing in the East.

Climate change, and emissions targets need to be seriously put on hold whilst we live in such troubled times.

Securing raw materials, including food, and gearing up for war need to be the priorities if we are to secure peace.

All the tree huggers need to be ignored at this point in time.

What’s the point of hitting net zero with a total inability to defend ourselves if the shit hits the fan?

Why do so many feel it the job of the US to defend us, who they hate, so that we can have orange powder thrown everywhere?

Fucking idiots!

Ramp up Oil, Gas, Mining, All raw materials, and increase industrial production.

Just Stop Putin! Then we can have a rethink.

There’s no point sleepwalking into a nightmare, future generations will not forgive us.

[Stooo]

He's based it on theoretical quantum entanglement, we're going to need a bit more that that while glaciers are melting along with permafrost in real time

There's hundreds of these people not one.
The sun does not go around the sun in a circle vey often.
It's elliptical and often that ellipse is larger than other times.
How do you think ice ages and warm periods happen?
Then of course there's Jupiter and Saturn that have massive effects but people like you can't comprehend that beyond it being something to ridicule people with.

He's a particle physicist, it's like asking an anaesthetist about brain surgery. Sure, he's got a theory about it...

The Roman warm period was warmer than now to the extent they were growing grapes and producing wine along Hadrian's Wall.
These conditions were possibly the most perfect and stable in mans existence and aided the Romans to conquer the known world. A world of comfort and plenty. What caused it? What caused the medieval warm period? What caused the mini ice age that came after that? Just answer without trying to appear a smart arse. Have those forces ceased to exist?

New York is currently under massive unseasonal rainfall, what do you care? It won't affect you if you're not there so you can never be proved wrong in your lifetime.

Nice.

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He's based it on theoretical quantum entanglement, we're going to need a bit more that that while glaciers are melting along with permafrost in real time

There's hundreds of these people not one.
The sun does not go around the sun in a circle vey often.
It's elliptical and often that ellipse is larger than other times.
How do you think ice ages and warm periods happen?
Then of course there's Jupiter and Saturn that have massive effects but people like you can't comprehend that beyond it being something to ridicule people with.

He's a particle physicist, it's like asking an anaesthetist about brain surgery. Sure, he's got a theory about it...

The Roman warm period was warmer than now to the extent they were growing grapes and producing wine along Hadrian's Wall.
These conditions were possibly the most perfect and stable in mans existence and aided the Romans to conquer the known world. A world of comfort and plenty. What caused it? What caused the medieval warm period? What caused the mini ice age that came after that? Just answer without trying to appear a smart arse. Have those forces ceased to exist?

New York is currently under massive unseasonal rainfall, what do you care? It won't affect you if you're not there so you can never be proved wrong in your lifetime.

Nice.

And you believe it's CO2. As always believing what you're told to.
You listen to little girls while I listen to the science OK?

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There's hundreds of these people not one.
The sun does not go around the sun in a circle vey often.
It's elliptical and often that ellipse is larger than other times.
How do you think ice ages and warm periods happen?
Then of course there's Jupiter and Saturn that have massive effects but people like you can't comprehend that beyond it being something to ridicule people with.

He's a particle physicist, it's like asking an anaesthetist about brain surgery. Sure, he's got a theory about it...

The Roman warm period was warmer than now to the extent they were growing grapes and producing wine along Hadrian's Wall.
These conditions were possibly the most perfect and stable in mans existence and aided the Romans to conquer the known world. A world of comfort and plenty. What caused it? What caused the medieval warm period? What caused the mini ice age that came after that? Just answer without trying to appear a smart arse. Have those forces ceased to exist?

New York is currently under massive unseasonal rainfall, what do you care? It won't affect you if you're not there so you can never be proved wrong in your lifetime.

Nice.

And you believe it's CO2. As always believing what you're told to.
You listen to little girls while I listen to the science OK?

Judith Curry graduated cum laude from Northern Illinois University with a Bachelor of Science degree in geography. She then earned a Ph.D. in geophysical sciences from the University of Chicago.

Her research interests include hurricanes, remote sensing, atmospheric modeling, polar climates, air-sea interactions, climate models, and the use of unmanned aerial vehicles for atmospheric research. She was a member of the National Research Council's Climate Research Committee and has published over a hundred scientific papers and co-edited several major works in climate science. Curry served on the NASA Advisory Council Earth Science Subcommittee whose mission was to provide advice and recommendations to NASA on issues of program priorities and policy. She was also a member of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Climate Working Group from 2004 to 2009, a member of the National Academies Space Studies Board from 2004 to 2007, and a member of the National Academies Climate Research Group from 2003 to 2006.

[Stooo]

Oh dear, avatar very related...

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Oh dear, avatar very related...

Oh dear you're talking utter bollox again as usual.
Maybe this is normal and appropriate behaviour for you when confronted by actual science.
Never mind you can always dig something out by Greta Thunberg.
Stooo do you really really think that earth's atmosphere is nailed down tight and it will flood in Assam India every year forever?
The Sahara desert will always be there and the ocean should remain at the same levels for ever more?

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Arctic Sea Ice timelapse from 1978 to 2009

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Russia and China were gearing up for the massive gas and oil production from the Arctic circle.
They are now solidly established way ahead of the west.
Asia are booming and roaring like a lion whilst the west quivers and squeaks like a mouse.
Economic warfare by way of sanctions has backfired on us big time.
Don't seem to have done anything to deter Russia from forging ahead with massive investments and engineering projects to leave us in the dust... or in this case the ice.
The only thing that can stop this disaster now for the west is a massive deep freeze in the Arctic circle.

Hold on! Our government have signed off a big oilfield?

“The controversial Rosebank offshore development off Shetland has been granted consent by regulators.
Located 80 miles west of Shetland, Rosebank is the UK's largest untapped oil field and is estimated to contain up to 300 million barrels of oil.
Development and production approval has been given to owners Equinor and Ithaca Energy, following reassurances over environmental concerns.
The plan has faced widespread criticism due to its impact on climate change.
Supporters of the project say it is vital for the energy security as it will reduce reliance on imports.
Its owners say it will create about 1,600 jobs during the height of construction, support 450 UK-based jobs during its lifetime, and provide "a significant amount of tax revenues for the treasury".
What is Rosebank and why is it so controversial?
LIVE: Biggest untapped oil field approved by regulators
It comes after the UK government said in July that it would issue hundreds of new licences for oil and gas exploration in the North Sea.
But last month 50 MPs and peers from all major parties raised concerns Rosebank could produce 200 million tonnes of carbon dioxide and urged then Energy Secretary Grant Shapps to block it.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... 933346.amp

The world is a very dangerous place, we need to be ready, we need the funding to be able to protect ourselves.

And if our perceived enemies are gearing up for a long protracted phoney war, then so should we.

Churchill said “if you want peace, prepare for war.”

I went a little more in depth ...
Rosebank has the capacity to supply the world's current oil needs for just less than a week so don't worry to much about what it adds to the worlds carbon consumption.
That does alter the perspective a little doesn't it.
But if we had a nationalised energy system it would ease the life of business greatly as the self employed and the big corporations travelled about a little less expensively.
It could have a great impact on the cost of living crisis but won't.