Are we seeing a new Russian Revolution

[Raving NLI]

Yevgheny Prighozin and his Wagner Group are certainly causing a stir with their so called “March of Justice” in Russia.
Their aim is to get rid of the Russian Military Leadership and top politicians, who they allege have misled Vladimir Putin.
They’re careful not to mention Putin, they say they only want to get rid of “those who’ve lied and sent many young Russians to their deaths in Ukraine, and gone even further stating that all the reasons for attacking Ukraine were all lies, the low casualty figures are all lies, they starve troops of war materials and send them to slaughter needlessly.
They’re careful to state it is not a coup.
They’ve taken control of Rostov on Don, the military headquarters and logistics depot for the war on Ukraine, and there are reports they’ve gone even further north towards Moscow.

The Kremlin’s leaders, FSB, GRU, and General staff have issued an arrest warrant for the head of Wagner.
Troops are being deployed around Moscow.
Putin’s come out and called it treason and a stab in the back to those fighting in Ukraine, and the entire Russian nation.

Could it all kick off? The Russian freedom fighters in Belford have called Prighozin a true Russian hero, even though they want to get rid of Putin - which Wagner don’t want to do.

It’s a mess, and we will undoubtedly see bloodshed, but how will this end?

[Middens]

Are there any good outcomes here? Chickens coming home to roost for Putin for creating a brutal army of convicted criminals.

[Stooo]

Waking up to history is getting a bit common.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Well that petered out pretty quickly!
What did they think they were going to do had they reached Moscow?
Putin can't blame NATO this time.
Very dangerous times though.
I think this is the start of the implosion of Russia.

[Stooo]

Agree. Interesting use of Belarus as a mediator, this won't end here.

[Stooo]

Um...

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Agree. Interesting use of Belarus as a mediator, this won't end here.

Putin will not be happy that Belarus can be so influential and this may mean problems coming from them now.

[Grafenwalder]

I like how its just another day in the life of the street sweeper guy!

Putin probably made a 'special exit operation' to St Petersburg.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66006860

[Raven NLI]

Agree. Interesting use of Belarus as a mediator, this won't end here.

Agreed, Lukashenko as a mediator and all of a sudden Wagner turn around - with security guarantees.

Anyone would think Vlad and Yevgheny concocted this so Vlad has an excuse to fire 2 Generals Yevgheny wants rid of.

Call me cynical if you like, but Russia is great on deceit.

[Raving NLI]

Agree. Interesting use of Belarus as a mediator, this won't end here.

Putin will not be happy that Belarus can be so influential and this may mean problems coming from them now.

He’s practically taken over Belarus anyway, it’s a vassal state of Russia.
Lukashenko is a puppet.

[Holly]

Unfortunately, I think Yevgeny Prigozhin is a dead man walking.
They even said on the news today, that it's unsure how long he will survive in Belarus.

They said some kind of deal has been made with the Wagner group, but what sort of deal would that be?

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Russian army morale collapsing as units desert Putin and pledge to support Wagner mutiny

Russian soldiers are starting to desert their units and throw their support behind the Wagner rebels, as they continued to advance at pace on Moscow. Prigozhin's militia has since been ordered to stand down, just as troops closed in a mere 200km from Moscow this evening. In a sign that the mutiny was spreading to the wider military, a Russian airborne unit declared its full support for the Wagner fighters.

A masked paratrooper allegedly from the 217 regiment of the 98th airborne division posted a video address to social media, in which he claimed that he and his comrades were ready to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with the Wagner rebels.

The paratrooper said: "Wagner lads.... We are with and support you in your quest for justice against the greedy pederasts from the Ministry of Defence, who could not care less about the life of an ordinary soldier.

"We, like you, took part in difficult battles. We know the price of the life of a simple soldier. We know the price of our blood and we won't let them make cannon fodder out of us.

"So know this - we are with you and are ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with you in your ju....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ru ... 88ed&ei=66

[Holly]

Russian army morale collapsing as units desert Putin and pledge to support Wagner mutiny

Russian soldiers are starting to desert their units and throw their support behind the Wagner rebels, as they continued to advance at pace on Moscow. Prigozhin's militia has since been ordered to stand down, just as troops closed in a mere 200km from Moscow this evening. In a sign that the mutiny was spreading to the wider military, a Russian airborne unit declared its full support for the Wagner fighters.

A masked paratrooper allegedly from the 217 regiment of the 98th airborne division posted a video address to social media, in which he claimed that he and his comrades were ready to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with the Wagner rebels.

The paratrooper said: "Wagner lads.... We are with and support you in your quest for justice against the greedy pederasts from the Ministry of Defence, who could not care less about the life of an ordinary soldier.

"We, like you, took part in difficult battles. We know the price of the life of a simple soldier. We know the price of our blood and we won't let them make cannon fodder out of us.

"So know this - we are with you and are ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with you in your ju....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ru ... 88ed&ei=66

What do you think will happen if Putin gets taken down?

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Russian army morale collapsing as units desert Putin and pledge to support Wagner mutiny

Russian soldiers are starting to desert their units and throw their support behind the Wagner rebels, as they continued to advance at pace on Moscow. Prigozhin's militia has since been ordered to stand down, just as troops closed in a mere 200km from Moscow this evening. In a sign that the mutiny was spreading to the wider military, a Russian airborne unit declared its full support for the Wagner fighters.

A masked paratrooper allegedly from the 217 regiment of the 98th airborne division posted a video address to social media, in which he claimed that he and his comrades were ready to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with the Wagner rebels.

The paratrooper said: "Wagner lads.... We are with and support you in your quest for justice against the greedy pederasts from the Ministry of Defence, who could not care less about the life of an ordinary soldier.

"We, like you, took part in difficult battles. We know the price of the life of a simple soldier. We know the price of our blood and we won't let them make cannon fodder out of us.

"So know this - we are with you and are ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with you in your ju....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ru ... 88ed&ei=66

What do you think will happen if Putin gets taken down?

I can only guess.
If Putin has to flee or is executed somehow I can only see Russia falling into chaos.
It's a criminal enterprise run by criminals so I'm pretty sure there will be lots of infighting and worse than Putin could come out of it.
Possibly a very weak man or organisation could take over as the criminals flee and that outcome would I imagine see the rapid disintegration of Russia.
I'm putting my money on the total collapse of Russia which won't be quick and won't be pretty and will be a very dangerous time for the world.

[Raving NLI]

Has anyone considered that Prighozin was offered the chance of planning a new attack on Kyiv from Belarusian soil?
Now there’s a prize that Wagner and its leader would happily attack and try and capture, rather than repeat the months long slaughter of Bakhmut.

I’m just trying to understand how Putin has managed to appease and calm down the attack dog he created with some kind of treat acceptable to Prighozin that caused him to stop his March on Moscow, after Prighozin added Putin’s name to “the list” when Putin called him out on treason.

Whatever the reason, Prighozin needs an official food tester, and plenty of Wagner security around him whenever he’s in a tall building.

I’m just speculating, but with the Ukrainian counteroffensive about to move into its heaviest phase, with 9 out of 12 Brigades equipped by the west, about to go onto the attack, a great ploy by Russia would be a new armoured thrust toward Kyiv.
They won’t get bogged down in muddy ground and have to stick to roads and get slaughtered like they did when they attacked Kyiv last year.

Prighozin being cheered by ordinary Russians will not of escaped him, and he’s the type of guy who’d love the adoration he’d receive for taking Kyiv.

Just thinking out loud, Prighozin reacts better to carrot than stick. He seeks glory, not the presidential office.