Titanic sub missing

[Raven NLI]

Are we saying it imploded during normal and planned navigation, rather than as a result of being on the ocean floor for 2 days? If so, it is an utter disgrace. Many questions need answers,

The US Navy, it turns out, heard the implosion near to the time comms were lost, but as it wasn’t ‘conclusive’, let the search go ahead in case they were wrong. And yes, it appears to have happened during the descent. I’m not sure your questions will ever be answered, is recovering the debris worth doing? As I said, carbon doesn’t exhibit fatigue cracking, and it’s been there, to the Titanic, before. Any comment on reasons for failure is going to be speculative. The question left to answer is ‘why were they able to carry paying passengers’. Some update to international maritime law might be looked at.

I think they’ll want to recover as much as they can because they can always learn from this tragedy whilst trying to ascertain what actually happened.
We all know what happened, structurally it failed under the enormous pressure at depth, but was it the hull or the window section at the front? Any knowledge gathered from wreckage will be helpful to enforce stricter maritime laws internationally and universal certification to stop this kind of thing happening again.
They can’t allow crackpot builders to get away with flaunting future international certification to endanger themselves and others. No garden shed built subs should ever be launched.
This goes for the fool who tried to sail the Atlantic in a wheelie bin too, he didn’t make it out of the harbour and should never have been allowed the attempt in the first place.
Atomised body remains will be difficult to recover, so a second reason for wreckage recovery would be to give the families something tangible to hold onto.

[Raven NLI]

Probably a very stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway, why couldn't that sub have been attached to some kind of chain or cable?
OK I know, it would have had to be a very long one, like 3800 meters, but so what?

Any rope, chain or umbilical attached to such a vessel would cause problems, you might recall a guy explaining that, on his trip to the titanic, all was well viewing the bow section, but once they headed to the stern section an underwater current pushed them into a propellor and they became stuck
Any kind of lead from a surface ship would be dangerous with the likelihood of entanglement on any shipwreck, let alone the titanic.
Umbilicals, to supply electric power and signals from a shipboard pilot are fine in ROV’s because if they become entangled on a wreck there’s no loss of life, just the loss of a robot.

Ropes, cables and netting are dangerous things to mini submarines…

“Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, today honoured the courage and professionalism of a British rescue team that saved the crew of a Russian mini submarine trapped on the Pacific Ocean floor.
The ceremony, held at Downing Street on the second day of Mr Putin's British visit, was the first time that Russian medals have been given to foreign military staff.

The rescue team used the Scorpio to free the AS28 mini submarine after it became entangled in cables.
The seven-man crew of the AS28 had just four to six hours of oxygen left when their vessel was freed in early August by the Scorpio after three days on the ocean floor.
The incident threatened to be a repeat for Mr Putin of the Kursk disaster, in which 118 submariners died. Russian authorities received sharp criticism for their handling of the crisis, in which they delayed asking for international help.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2005/oct/05/russia.world

N.B. The Russian sub was entangled in cables.

[Middens]

Seems as they operated in international waters, no rules or standards could be enforced on them anyway. It's up to people to not go on it. Surely their business has to be finished now.

[Raven NLI]

Seems as they operated in international waters, no rules or standards could be enforced on them anyway. It's up to people to not go on it. Surely their business has to be finished now.

I don’t think anymore rich people will want to pay so much money to get bolted shut into a death trap in future.
It’s finished, nobody will go anywhere near them again.u

[Grafenwalder]

I think Stockton Rush was living in his own little fantasy world with delusions of grandeur. It's also worth reading the Wiki page on OceanGate.

OceanGate exaggerated the details of the industry partnerships behind the development and engineering of its Titan submersible.

In some public statements, the company suggested that its Titan submersible -- the company's only vessel able to reach Titanic depths, which sits 13,400 feet below the ocean's surface -- was designed and engineered with the assistance of entities such as Boeing, the University of Washington and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. In statements to ABC News, each entity described its role in Titan submersible, or lack thereof, as more limited than sometimes stated by OceanGate.

When asked about these exaggerations about the role of partnerships in the development of the Titan submersible, an OceanGate representative declined to comment on the matter.

"The state-of-the-art vessel, designed and engineered by OceanGate Inc. in collaboration [with] experts from NASA, Boeing and the University of Washington, made its subsea debut in 2018," OceanGate Expeditions -- the Bahamas-based company that operates U.S.-based OceanGate Inc. submersibles -- said about the Titan submersible on its now inaccessible website.

When asked about the details of those relationships with OceanGate, a Boeing representative told ABC News that the aerospace company was not involved in designing or building the deep-sea submersible.

“Boeing was not a partner on the Titan and did not design or build it,” a Boeing spokesperson told ABC News in a statement.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/company-lost- ... =100256217

[Grafenwalder]

This guy had a lucky escape - and even a heavily discounted last minute price didn't persuade him!

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/oceangate-bo ... rine-safe/

[Stooo]

Are we saying it imploded during normal and planned navigation, rather than as a result of being on the ocean floor for 2 days? If so, it is an utter disgrace. Many questions need answers,

James Cameron explains it, apparently the military didn't want to publicly announce the noise at the time in case it gave away the extent of their underwater tech.

[Raven NLI]

Are we saying it imploded during normal and planned navigation, rather than as a result of being on the ocean floor for 2 days? If so, it is an utter disgrace. Many questions need answers,

James Cameron explains it, apparently the military didn't want to publicly announce the noise at the time in case it gave away the extent of their underwater tech.

That’s a good point, somethings must be kept totally top secret.

Like the time a specially fitted, with shears and a grab, RN sub located and followed a Soviet sub, got up close and personal, and snipped and grabbed the Soviet subs towed array, and brought it back to base, with the soviets seemingly oblivious of the theft.

[Raven NLI]

Billy Bunter Johnson says the Titan crew are heroes and lefties should stop knocking them.

How about crowdfunding a trip on the next Titan for him so he can go and visit these heroes.

He can live the dream.

[Cactus Jack]

Small comfort but the victims would not have suffered.

At those depths catastrophic implosion would mean the carbon fibre hull would shatter and thousands of fragments would be thrown inwards at roughly twice the speed of sound. At the same time the compression would have caused the oxygen rich pressurised air to ignite. The poor bastards would have been shot to pieces, pulped and incinerated within one second, and probably literally before they had a chance to realise what was happening.

[Stooo]

Small comfort but the victims would not have suffered.

At those depths catastrophic implosion would mean the carbon fibre hull would shatter and thousands of fragments would be thrown inwards at roughly twice the speed of sound. At the same time the compression would have caused the oxygen rich pressurised air to ignite. The poor bastards would have been shot to pieces, pulped and incinerated within one second, and probably literally before they had a chance to realise what was happening.

Cavitation is a bitch.

Going from being aware to being nothing doesn't seem like a bad end really on a personal level, horrific for the family though, especially this one:

Azmeh Dawood, the aunt to the British university student, Suleman, who was killed in the tragic Titanic submarine ‘implosion,’ has revealed he was ‘terrified’ about the trip.

Suleman, 19, and his dad, Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood, were two of the five passengers on the OceanGate submersible, that suffered a ‘catastrophic implosion’ just 1,600ft from the bow of the Titanic.

According to Azmeh, Suleman, ‘wasn’t feeling up to it’ but joined the crew to impress his father and celebrate Father’s Day with him.

https://punchng.com/student-killed-in-t ... ther-aunt/

[ArchieG]

I think everyone knew the UK and USA could hear a pin drop in the North Atlantic. I can’t think why they believe that fact is classified. UK runs a fleet of Poseidon aircraft from Lossiemouth, with anti submarine capability of that nature, it’s fully public domain. You can see the planes on the tarmac on google earth.

[Raving NLI]

I think everyone knew the UK and USA could hear a pin drop in the North Atlantic. I can’t think why they believe that fact is classified. UK runs a fleet of Poseidon aircraft from Lossiemouth, with anti submarine capability of that nature, it’s fully public domain. You can see the planes on the tarmac on google earth.

A lot of lessons were learned by the UKband their North American allies in the Battle of the Atlantic.
Those lessons proved invaluable in the Cold War and measures were put in place to ensure convoys would be safeguarded from submarine threat.
Updating and modernisation of all systems involved have been ongoing, and I’d be surprised if they hadn’t heard an implosion.
Being Top Secret we can’t be told what detection systems are in place, but I’m willing to bet they’re the best money can buy.

[Diana Hill]

Sad but not surprising.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 63533.html

[Grafenwalder]

The father and son who made the right decision - despite Stockton Rush trying to tempt them with a discount price.

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