The cost of living!

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Re: The cost of living!

Postby Stooo » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:36 pm

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We're doing far worse :smilin:


You think a 10% increase in the death rate is 'far worse' than a 37% increase?

When are you moving to Brussels btw? If you had any pride, you would have fucked off years ago, instead of staying put and moaning every day about how shit it is here, and how great it is in the EU.


No freedom of movement mate, didn't you read the regs?
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby Snookerballs » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:47 pm

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Snookerballs wrote:As Grafenwalder says there is going to be many deaths this winter due to lack of heating .

Current WHO statistics show over the last six months the UK death rate has risen 10% ( not including Post Covid Deaths these have remained static .) Scotland is up 11%
These figures include all age groups from teenage to eighty year old . Compared with the Five Year Average .
EU Countries have a similar rise Spain 37% Italy 27% ,
It appears the rise is world wide WHO are at a loss as to the reason behind the rise in the figures .

And we have not entered Winter Yet !!!



37% isn't similar to 10% - it's nearly four times as many.

Thank god we're out of the bastard EU - they're dropping like flies over there, assuming your figures are correct.


I would guess that the high death rate over the last six months in Spain and Italy is due to the high heat they have had to suffer

but does that equate to the high figures here in the UK ?
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby Holly » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:09 am

This is an interesting read

COVID-19 Boosters and Rising Excess Mortality in New Zealand

The Rollout of COVID-19 Booster Vaccines is Associated With Rising Excess Mortality in New Zealand
One would not know it from the saturation advertising in New Zealand urging people to get booster doses of COVID-19 vaccines but the use of boosters for the general population has been controversial in many countries. In September 2021 an advisory panel of experts to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) voted 16-2 against widespread use of the boosters due to the lack of safety data and to doubts about the benefits of mass boosting.

After the Biden administration over-ruled that vote, and went ahead with a booster rollout for the general population (mandated in many cases) the top two officials in FDA’s Office of Vaccines Research and Review resigned and published a critique that current evidence did not show a need for boosting in the general population. Even the World Health Organization argued that a vaccination strategy based on repeated booster doses of the original vaccine composition is unlikely to be appropriate or sustainable.

Thus, overseas health professionals have called for booster vaccinations to be discontinued for safety reasons, and have suggested that coercive vaccine policies are doing more harm than good. None of these overseas debates appear to influence local public discussion. Even the data on which local public discussion are based are subject to doubts, as the Ministry of Health appear to be denominating their calculations of COVID-19 case and hospitalization rates with incorrect population estimates that will systematically overstate apparent vaccine efficacy. These same biases are found in health statistics overseas.


It continues
https://www.nzcpr.com/covid-19-boosters ... w-zealand/
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby .SF. » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:08 am

Snookerballs wrote:Current WHO statistics show over the last six months the UK death rate has risen 10% ( not including Post Covid Deaths these have remained static .) Scotland is up 11%
These figures include all age groups from teenage to eighty year old . Compared with the Five Year Average .
EU Countries have a similar rise Spain 37% Italy 27%


Long waits for ambulances might have something to do with it.

Don't know about France and Spain - maybe connected with their extreme heatwave this year?
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:37 am

Most common cause of death in Canada now is cause unknown.
It seems to be becoming the norm more or less across the western world.
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby .SF. » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:09 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Most common cause of death in Canada now is cause unknown.
It seems to be becoming the norm more or less across the western world.


Strange stuff. Hate to be a pain but have you got a link to this?

This is the closest I could find

It's to do with Alberta, Canada. Couldn't find anything about it being the most common cause of death across the western world.
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:31 pm

.SF. wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:Most common cause of death in Canada now is cause unknown.
It seems to be becoming the norm more or less across the western world.


Strange stuff. Hate to be a pain but have you got a link to this?

This is the closest I could find

It's to do with Alberta, Canada. Couldn't find anything about it being the most common cause of death across the western world.
Don't use those wods in your search then.
It's not somethig they want to broadcast really is it.
Ask about individual countries or something.
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby .SF. » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:27 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
.SF. wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:Most common cause of death in Canada now is cause unknown.
It seems to be becoming the norm more or less across the western world.


Strange stuff. Hate to be a pain but have you got a link to this?

This is the closest I could find

It's to do with Alberta, Canada. Couldn't find anything about it being the most common cause of death across the western world.
Don't use those wods in your search then.
It's not somethig they want to broadcast really is it.
Ask about individual countries or something.


Nah, still can't find anything for individual countries. Like you say maybe I'm using the wrong words. Where did you find it?
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby Snookerballs » Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:16 pm

.SF. wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
.SF. wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:Most common cause of death in Canada now is cause unknown.
It seems to be becoming the norm more or less across the western world.


Strange stuff. Hate to be a pain but have you got a link to this?

This is the closest I could find

It's to do with Alberta, Canada. Couldn't find anything about it being the most common cause of death across the western world.
Don't use those wods in your search then.
It's not somethig they want to broadcast really is it.
Ask about individual countries or something.


Nah, still can't find anything for individual countries. Like you say maybe I'm using the wrong words. Where did you find it?


You will find a bit more information on this video .
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:11 am

Record excess deaths in Europe
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby .SF. » Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:37 am

Thanks for both those videos, although still nothing there that says the most common cause of death in the western world now is cause unknown. There doesn't seem to be anything out there to support that particular claim.
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby Red Okktober » Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:20 am

Could it be that these excess deaths are a knock-on effect of covid, despite covid itself not being the cause of the majority of them?

The lockdowns, mask-wearing, hand-washing etc. of the last few years not only protected against covid, but must have protected vulnerable people from picking up other fatal illnesses at the same time.

Now that covid precautions have been relaxed, maybe there's a backlog of vulnerable people now being exposed to the other illnesses, that up until recently, they were being protected from?
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby .SF. » Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:16 am

Holly wrote:This is an interesting read

COVID-19 Boosters and Rising Excess Mortality in New Zealand

The Rollout of COVID-19 Booster Vaccines is Associated With Rising Excess Mortality in New Zealand



He's implying that booster vaccines are causing the rise in excess mortality. He's basing that on the fact that the booster rollout happened around the same time that excess deaths started to occur. But one has to be aware that correlation does not imply causation and so I think the assumption should be treated with a fair degree of caution. I'm not sure his article passes the smell test.

A closer look at the website shows that they seem to have certain agendas going on - vaccine-scepticism and a denial that human activity affects climate change.
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby .SF. » Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:51 am

Red Okktober wrote:Could it be that these excess deaths are a knock-on effect of covid, despite covid itself not being the cause of the majority of them?

The lockdowns, mask-wearing, hand-washing etc. of the last few years not only protected against covid, but must have protected vulnerable people from picking up other fatal illnesses at the same time.

Now that covid precautions have been relaxed, maybe there's a backlog of vulnerable people now being exposed to the other illnesses, that up until recently, they were being protected from?


Sounds quite possible
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Re: The cost of living!

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:11 pm

Stooo wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Stooo wrote:
We're doing far worse :smilin:


You think a 10% increase in the death rate is 'far worse' than a 37% increase?

When are you moving to Brussels btw? If you had any pride, you would have fucked off years ago, instead of staying put and moaning every day about how shit it is here, and how great it is in the EU.


No freedom of movement mate, didn't you read the regs?




Does freedom of movement mean that you can't apply to legally immigrate to Belgium/France/Germany/Spain or other EU countries?
Do the Syrians showing up in boats have the freedom of movement then?
What's to stop you taking a boat to France and then Travelling to Belgium?
I'm posting from Germany I had no problems :dunno:
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