Global Warming Deniers and Liars

[Trapper John]

Here is a little food for thought (pardon the pun)

It is generally accepted, though not so widely publisised, that the greatest threat mankind faces (rogue asteroids not withstanding) in the next 50 years or so, is a worldwide food shortage. Far from being the 'demon' it is made out to be, CO2 is a vital part of this planet's ecology and an even more vital part of our continued existence as a species.

The fact is, in the short term, CO2 is a 'moneymaker' for those who seek to control our world for their benefit. In the medium to longer term, 'food' will replace it. A conspiracy theory could easily be made to suggest why these people are so keen to control/ reduce CO2 in our atmosphere, something which without, we will all slowly starve to death. I can't think of many better ways to control the masses than by controlling their food supply or threatening them with starvation, can you? ..... I mean Stalin showed just what a useful tool it could be.

Below is an excerpt from a scientific agrarian publication which supports the NIPCC (Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change) who are leading scientists from around the world who dispute many of the findings of the UN's IPCC, those who have been sensationalising climate change for their own personal reasons.


Far from being a pollutant, rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations will never directly harm human health, but will indirectly benefit humans in a number of ways. Chief among these benefits is global food security. People must have sufficient food, simply to sustain themselves; and the rise in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration that has occurred since the inception of the Industrial Revolution (an increase of approximately 100 ppm) has done wonders for humanity in this regard. And, it will continue to work wonders in helping us meet the rising food consumption needs of a larger, future population.

In addition to increasing the quantity of food available for human consumption, the rising atmospheric CO2 concentration is also increasing the quality of the foods we eat. It significantly increases the quantity and potency of the many beneficial substances found in their tissues (such as the vitamin C concentration of citrus fruit), which ultimately make their way onto our dinner tables and into many of the medicines we take, improving our health and helping us better contend with the multitude of diseases and other maladies that regularly afflict us. In just one species of spider lily, for example, enriching the air with CO2 has led to the production of higher concentrations of several substances that have been demonstrated to be effective in fighting a number of human maladies, including leukemia, ovary sarcoma, melanoma, and brain, colon, lung and renal cancers, as well as Japanese encephalitis and yellow, dengue, Punta Tora and Rift Valley fevers.

[Big Fat Frosty]

the very last thing human civilisation needs is another ice age....
it negates any form of governance
its a big fucking wall of ice heading south
it cant be bargained with
global warming is a good thing for humans
keeps winter at bay
snowball earth
is were we came from
afterall..

[Keyser]

the very last thing human civilisation needs is another ice age....
it negates any form of governance
its a big fucking wall of ice heading south
it cant be bargained with
global warming is a good thing
keeps winter at bay
snowball earth
is were we came from
afterall..

Eh?

I thought you would like the cold?

After all you are a fucking Polar bear!

[Big Fat Frosty]

the very last thing human civilisation needs is another ice age....
it negates any form of governance
its a big fucking wall of ice heading south
it cant be bargained with
global warming is a good thing
keeps winter at bay
snowball earth
is were we came from
afterall..

Eh?

I thought you would like the cold?

After all you are a fucking Polar bear!

you of all of us brother keyser should know
looks can be deceptive...

[Guest]

the very last thing human civilisation needs is another ice age....
it negates any form of governance
its a big fucking wall of ice heading south
it cant be bargained with
global warming is a good thing for humans
keeps winter at bay
snowball earth
is were we came from
afterall..

The main problem is there ain't no ice up North.

It's all melted

[Rolluplostinspace]

Here is a little food for thought (pardon the pun)

It is generally accepted, though not so widely publisised, that the greatest threat mankind faces (rogue asteroids not withstanding) in the next 50 years or so, is a worldwide food shortage. Far from being the 'demon' it is made out to be, CO2 is a vital part of this planet's ecology and an even more vital part of our continued existence as a species.

The fact is, in the short term, CO2 is a 'moneymaker' for those who seek to control our world for their benefit. In the medium to longer term, 'food' will replace it. A conspiracy theory could easily be made to suggest why these people are so keen to control/ reduce CO2 in our atmosphere, something which without, we will all slowly starve to death. I can't think of many better ways to control the masses than by controlling their food supply or threatening them with starvation, can you? ..... I mean Stalin showed just what a useful tool it could be.

Below is an excerpt from a scientific agrarian publication which supports the NIPCC (Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change) who are leading scientists from around the world who dispute many of the findings of the UN's IPCC, those who have been sensationalising climate change for their own personal reasons.


Far from being a pollutant, rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations will never directly harm human health, but will indirectly benefit humans in a number of ways. Chief among these benefits is global food security. People must have sufficient food, simply to sustain themselves; and the rise in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration that has occurred since the inception of the Industrial Revolution (an increase of approximately 100 ppm) has done wonders for humanity in this regard. And, it will continue to work wonders in helping us meet the rising food consumption needs of a larger, future population.

In addition to increasing the quantity of food available for human consumption, the rising atmospheric CO2 concentration is also increasing the quality of the foods we eat. It significantly increases the quantity and potency of the many beneficial substances found in their tissues (such as the vitamin C concentration of citrus fruit), which ultimately make their way onto our dinner tables and into many of the medicines we take, improving our health and helping us better contend with the multitude of diseases and other maladies that regularly afflict us. In just one species of spider lily, for example, enriching the air with CO2 has led to the production of higher concentrations of several substances that have been demonstrated to be effective in fighting a number of human maladies, including leukemia, ovary sarcoma, melanoma, and brain, colon, lung and renal cancers, as well as Japanese encephalitis and yellow, dengue, Punta Tora and Rift Valley fevers.

Henry Kissinger it was I think who said .... control energy and you control continents.
Control food and you control men.
Control money and you own the world.

The disturbing bit for me is that these people spend their lives thinking like this and acting out schemes and laying agendas to accomplish it.

[Trapper John]

the very last thing human civilisation needs is another ice age....
it negates any form of governance
its a big fucking wall of ice heading south
it cant be bargained with
global warming is a good thing for humans
keeps winter at bay
snowball earth
is were we came from
afterall..

The main problem is there ain't no ice up North.

It's all melted

And of course that is the all the fault of us pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, is it? - and it hasn't 'all melted' at all.

The fact is, unlike the Antarctic, the Arctic is mainly sea ice, far more susceptable to melt cycles than ice sat on a frozen land base.

Records do not exist further back than the mid/late 19th century, so how can anyone say this is all man's doing? Arctic temperatures fluctuate just like they do everywhere else, changes measured in years, decades, even centuries have no meaning whatsoever when we're talking about geological time......and the geological record shows numerous freeze/melt cycles long before man existed.

The Antarctic, which by the way in case you didn't know, is an actual continent with a land base has in fact been adding snow and ice, contrary to what we are led to believe.

Ice shelves do crack or break off from time to time on some parts of the continent, but at least as much is being added elsewhere on the land mass.

No-one can tell us difinitively why this happens, so it is far easier and indeed far, far more lucrative to say it's due to man made global warming. A simpler and probably more reasonable assumption is just the sheer weight of ice, remember these 'shelves' sit primarily on water, they don't start to crack and break off from a couple of hundred miles inland - physics has a big part to play.

[Trapper John]

If we look at this whole question of 'global warming' from whatever side of the fence you sit on, you need to ask this question "is a warmer move in the Earth's climate really a bad thing?"

We already know it could stave off the next cyclical ice age, but what could it do for humanity, in the real and medium terms?

Much is made by the warmists of the extinction of species due to global warming, well here's the news, 99% of all species that ever existed on Earth, don't anymore, nature dictates who lives and who dies, not us.

And then there is the screams of drought and scorched earth affecting large swathes of the Earth's surface. Here's some more news, the most affected places now were already drought ridden and scorched long before man had a 'supposed' influence, so should we worry about 'useless' land becoming even 'more useless?'

The upside of course is that many millions of square miles of hitherto 'useless' frozen tundra could be freed up for cultivation. Like I said in a previous post, growing enough FOOD to feed an exploding global population, is the biggest challenge man faces in the next 50 years and that is a fact.

A warmer Earth could just enable us to do that because it certainly isn't going to come from places which, for almost all of modern man's existence, have been barren deserts.

[Trapper John]

If you are concerned about 'global warming' or to give it the UN's IPCC new title, 'Climate change' because the globe has to all intents and purposes stopped warming, then you should have all the facts from all the points of view.

A very good place to start if you have doubts, particularly regarding the lucrative market that has grown up around man's alleged influence with CO2 emissions, you could do no worse than read 'Climate change reconsidered II'

This publication is produced by the NIPCC (Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change) an organisation set up to counter and argue the many sensationalist and apocalyptic views and statements pushed out by the UN's International Panel on Climate Change.

The many renowned scientists involved with the NIPCC have no real axe to grind, save that they believe their reputatations (as members of the world scientific community) are being slurred by failed methods, incorrect models and just plain sensationalist 'untruths' put out by the UN and it's IPCC network.

The NIPCC's intent is to show a more evenly balanced argument to 'made made climate change', to show that man's influence on this is very far from proven and may in fact be totally incorrect.

As Dr Richard Lindzen, a world renowned atmospheric physicist residing at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) says: "I personally believe that global warming will turn out to be a disgrace to the scientific community and the environmental movement as a whole"

[Vam]

This thread is probably a good place to show some real and incontrovertible proof of the damage humans are causing the planet.

http://www.theonion.com/article/study-floating-heap-trash-now-oceans-apex-predator-50746
http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2017/05/12/dead-whale-cavite.html

Check it out - 250 kilos per second

[Guest]

This thread is probably a good place to show some real and incontrovertible proof of the damage humans are causing the planet.

http://www.theonion.com/article/study-floating-heap-trash-now-oceans-apex-predator-50746
http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2017/05/12/dead-whale-cavite.html

Check it out - 250 kilos per second

The Onion?
Are you sure?

[Vam]

This thread is probably a good place to show some real and incontrovertible proof of the damage humans are causing the planet.

http://www.theonion.com/article/study-floating-heap-trash-now-oceans-apex-predator-50746
http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2017/05/12/dead-whale-cavite.html

Check it out - 250 kilos per second

The Onion?
Are you sure?

Ok, fair enough. How about ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch

Check out the 'Estimate of size' and the 'Photodegradation of plastics' parts.

Still laughing?

[Trapper John]

This thread is probably a good place to show some real and incontrovertible proof of the damage humans are causing the planet.

http://www.theonion.com/article/study-floating-heap-trash-now-oceans-apex-predator-50746
http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2017/05/12/dead-whale-cavite.html

Check it out - 250 kilos per second

Some long time ago Vam, I posted about that great pacific garbage patch, it is vast and absolutely exists, contrary to doubters opinions on the source.

Interseting to note that "Yeb Sano, was also one of the Philippines' Climate Change Commissioners before he resigned in 2015"

Wonder why he resigned? surely he could have split his time between two of the world's most pressing environmental issues - or maybe he thought that the real prospect of an ecological disaster posed by this monumental and unquestionably 'man made' garbage patch, the size of Texas - was far more important than some imagined threat of 'man made climate change' which might never happen and is far from proven to have any connection to 'man' at all.

[Guest]

This thread is probably a good place to show some real and incontrovertible proof of the damage humans are causing the planet.

http://www.theonion.com/article/study-floating-heap-trash-now-oceans-apex-predator-50746
http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2017/05/12/dead-whale-cavite.html

Check it out - 250 kilos per second

Some long time ago Vam, I posted about that great pacific garbage patch, it is vast and absolutely exists, contrary to doubters opinions on the source.

Interseting to note that "Yeb Sano, was also one of the Philippines' Climate Change Commissioners before he resigned in 2015"

Wonder why he resigned? surely he could have split his time between two of the world's most pressing environmental issues - or maybe he thought that the real prospect of an ecological disaster posed by this monumental and unquestionably 'man made' garbage patch, the size of Texas - was far more important than some imagined threat of 'man made climate change' which might never happen and is far from proven to have any connection to 'man' at all.

Yes TJ man did not create that man made garbage patch.
Nor did man create the logging of the Amazon.

[Trapper John]

This thread is probably a good place to show some real and incontrovertible proof of the damage humans are causing the planet.

http://www.theonion.com/article/study-floating-heap-trash-now-oceans-apex-predator-50746
http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2017/05/12/dead-whale-cavite.html

Check it out - 250 kilos per second

Some long time ago Vam, I posted about that great pacific garbage patch, it is vast and absolutely exists, contrary to doubters opinions on the source.

Interseting to note that "Yeb Sano, was also one of the Philippines' Climate Change Commissioners before he resigned in 2015"

Wonder why he resigned? surely he could have split his time between two of the world's most pressing environmental issues - or maybe he thought that the real prospect of an ecological disaster posed by this monumental and unquestionably 'man made' garbage patch, the size of Texas - was far more important than some imagined threat of 'man made climate change' which might never happen and is far from proven to have any connection to 'man' at all.

Yes TJ man did not create that man made garbage patch.
Nor did man create the logging of the Amazon.

Is that an attempt at irony?

I've never questioned man's ability to cause ecological disasters, thats not the point of this thread though. It's specifically about man made CO2 emissions and the effects it supposedly has on climate change/global warming. We are told this is all bad and all due to man, and contrary to what we are told, neither has been proved to even the slightest degree to be mans fault, or even harmful.

That leads to what I have been saying, we have been paying vasts amounts of money to governments, large companies and individuals for decades now for something which appears to have no reasonable foundation apart from the say so of certain individuals who have and are still making $billions from specifically CO2 scare mongering.