Why does the UK have a problem with demonising foreigners?

[Trapper John]

It's a fact, the more that flood into our country the less our country is inclined to criticise them for doing things no Briton would ever get away with.

The latest example of this, as most do, comes from the pinko's 'wonderful multicultural London'

Some years ago we in the capital were treated to the sight of bicycle 'Rickshaws' clogging our streets and causing disruption.

That was ok though, it's a lovely quaint sight to witness and great for everyone as we celebrate our cultural richness, there is nothing better to have a taste of the third world, here in 21st century London - and 'green and friendly' too.

Today though, what once was a few dozen peasants 'peddling' their wares to scrape a living, has turned into hundreds and hundreds of these rusty, ill serviced death traps, causing mayhem and flouting the law - run by vicious gangs of Eastern European scum.

Taxi drivers have moaned about them for years but have been totally ignored by the authorities, why?

These gangsters are charging tourists enormous amounts of money, commonly £200 for a trip of no more than a mile, the same trip in a black cab would cost £6.40. If any of these tourists refuse to pay, they are not only intimidated by the 'driver' they are soon surrounded by an aggressive gang of 'his friends' which usually sorts the matter out.

Transport for London and the Police say there is nothing they can do, they don't even have a clue how many there are, why? .... because they are not required to be regulated by the law.

In reality of course, it's about 'Will' the will to want to do something against these poor migrants struggling to make a living.

There never seems to be problem rushing through laws when they want them - even so there is plenty that can be done in the meantime.

Like these fuckers rake in all this cash without receipts and pay no tax whatsoever, and they are carrying people for hire and reward without being covered by insurance, which is illegal - so how about cracking down on them and putting them out of business, that way?

No, we'll be treated to a few sound bites from Council officials and Met Police PR and then it will be back to business as usual for these vicious gangs, until the next tourist complains and the whole cycle takes another spin.

[Guest]

Excellent example of the beloved right wing ideology of a free market economy. Can't be having 'red tape' messing with 'free trade'.

[Si_Crewe]

Not entirely sure I agree with the original assertion but I guess the question is (or, at least, should be) whether or not any immigrants to a country actually make it better or whether they make it worse.

As long as those who're coming here actually make it better, good luck to them. If they don't make it better, though, you have to wonder why the fuck somebody who's already here can't be fulfilling that role instead.

And the trouble is that is seems like a lot of the foreigners who end up here DON'T pass this litmus test so I guess that's likely to make people a bit hostile.

[Beecham]

Its hardly surprising the transport police do fuck all when a guy is filmed publicly snorting cocaine and doesn't even warrant * c what I did there ? * a slap on the wrist

[Guest]

Its hardly surprising the transport police do fuck all when a guy is filmed publicly snorting cocaine and doesn't even warrant * c what I did there ? * a slap on the wrist

Was the Lord snorting the coke on public transport?

[Guest]

It's a fact, the more that flood into our country the less our country is inclined to criticise them for doing things no Briton would ever get away with.

The latest example of this, as most do, comes from the pinko's 'wonderful multicultural London'

Some years ago we in the capital were treated to the sight of bicycle 'Rickshaws' clogging our streets and causing disruption.

That was ok though, it's a lovely quaint sight to witness and great for everyone as we celebrate our cultural richness, there is nothing better to have a taste of the third world, here in 21st century London - and 'green and friendly' too.

Today though, what once was a few dozen peasants 'peddling' their wares to scrape a living, has turned into hundreds and hundreds of these rusty, ill serviced death traps, causing mayhem and flouting the law - run by vicious gangs of Eastern European scum.

Taxi drivers have moaned about them for years but have been totally ignored by the authorities, why?

These gangsters are charging tourists enormous amounts of money, commonly £200 for a trip of no more than a mile, the same trip in a black cab would cost £6.40. If any of these tourists refuse to pay, they are not only intimidated by the 'driver' they are soon surrounded by an aggressive gang of 'his friends' which usually sorts the matter out.

Transport for London and the Police say there is nothing they can do, they don't even have a clue how many there are, why? .... because they are not required to be regulated by the law.

In reality of course, it's about 'Will' the will to want to do something against these poor migrants struggling to make a living.

There never seems to be problem rushing through laws when they want them - even so there is plenty that can be done in the meantime.

Like these fuckers rake in all this cash without receipts and pay no tax whatsoever, and they are carrying people for hire and reward without being covered by insurance, which is illegal - so how about cracking down on them and putting them out of business, that way?

No, we'll be treated to a few sound bites from Council officials and Met Police PR and then it will be back to business as usual for these vicious gangs, until the next tourist complains and the whole cycle takes another spin.

Free market supporters are Communist Pinkos? You do know that Communists are ANTI-Free markets?

[Guest]

Not entirely sure I agree with the original assertion but I guess the question is (or, at least, should be) whether or not any immigrants to a country actually make it better or whether they make it worse.

As long as those who're coming here actually make it better, good luck to them. If they don't make it better, though, you have to wonder why the fuck somebody who's already here can't be fulfilling that role instead.

And the trouble is that is seems like a lot of the foreigners who end up here DON'T pass this litmus test so I guess that's likely to make people a bit hostile.

Seems

More work than British (% agewise) Less claim than British. Less welfare goers in immigrants (% agewise)

[Si_Crewe]

More work than British (% agewise) Less claim than British. Less welfare goers in immigrants (% agewise)

Not sure "benefits" is a reasonable barometer of anything.

After all, the vast majority of immigrants probably aren't refugees from Iraq/Syria/Uganda who're here for the hand-outs. They're just people who realise that they can earn more for working in the UK than they will get for doing the same job in Poland or Slovakia etc.

If we raise our expectations slightly, we should be asking ourselves what these people actually add anything to society that couldn't be supplied by a Brit' who's already here.

That's shouldn't be seen as a reflection on the people, themselves of course.
It's just that we shouldn't be allowing employers to get away with hiring cheap, often poorly-qualified, workers.
It might be argued that this allows employers to keep prices low but, then again, if there were fewer immigrants there'd be more jobs, less people on benefits and taxes could be lowered to offset higher prices.

[Guest]

More work than British (% agewise) Less claim than British. Less welfare goers in immigrants (% agewise)

Not sure "benefits" is a reasonable barometer of anything.

After all, the vast majority of immigrants probably aren't refugees from Iraq/Syria/Uganda who're here for the hand-outs. They're just people who realise that they can earn more for working in the UK than they will get for doing the same job in Poland or Slovakia etc.

If we raise our expectations slightly, we should be asking ourselves what these people actually add anything to society that couldn't be supplied by a Brit' who's already here.

That's shouldn't be seen as a reflection on the people, themselves of course.
It's just that we shouldn't be allowing employers to get away with hiring cheap, often poorly-qualified, workers.
It might be argued that this allows employers to keep prices low but, then again, if there were fewer immigrants there'd be more jobs, less people on benefits and taxes could be lowered to offset higher prices.

so you are against neo-liberalism but voted for a neo-liberalism party

where is your evidence to support your assertions

[Si_Crewe]

so you are against neo-liberalism but voted for a neo-liberalism party

where is your evidence to support your assertions

TBH, I'm not entirely sure what neo-liberalism is and I'm not sure how you know who I voted for either.

As for the "evidence", it seems fairly self-evident that it's better for society, overall, to have one person in a job, earning a decent wage and paying income-tax on their earnings rather than having one immigrant in a poorly-paid job, paying less tax (and possibly receiving benefits) AND have to pay benefits to an unemployed Brit' too.

[Ninj]

Its hardly surprising the transport police do fuck all when a guy is filmed publicly snorting cocaine and doesn't even warrant * c what I did there ? * a slap on the wrist

Was the Lord snorting the coke on public transport?

I assumed he/she meant that person who was in the news recently being filmed snorting on the train and apologising.

What happened to that person?

[Guest]

so you are against neo-liberalism but voted for a neo-liberalism party

where is your evidence to support your assertions

TBH, I'm not entirely sure what neo-liberalism is and I'm not sure how you know who I voted for either.

As for the "evidence", it seems fairly self-evident that it's better for society, overall, to have one person in a job, earning a decent wage and paying income-tax on their earnings rather than having one immigrant in a poorly-paid job, paying less tax (and possibly receiving benefits) AND have to pay benefits to an unemployed Brit' too.

The only options this country has had for a few decades now in elections. (well realistic)

Jeremy Corbyn isn't a neo liberal/neo con and look how the media and government/MP's are treating him.

Tory and Labour (so far) have been neo liberal/neo con. The public have no real choice but the further control and rule by corporates and the oligarchs. That's where high immigration comes from. The desire to have a plentiful supply of workers, driving down costs and terms and conditions. Also means more borrowers and customers. Better for big business and therefore the oligarchs you see. Immigration is as high, think it might be higher lately, under Tories as was under coalition and labour of 97 on.

As Jack would say. the right wing types all desire socialist solutions to their complaints.

*Mainstream media is all owned by oligarchs/corporates. Swaying public opinion to 'your way' is easy when you own the influential media.

[jra]

I use very large red rickshaws. They are called London buses.

Once I'm in London, almost all public transport is free on a zones 1-6 travel card.

[Trapper John]

I use very large red rickshaws. They are called London buses.

Once I'm in London, almost all public transport is free on a zones 1-6 travel card.

Try using it with one of these rickshaws - see how that goes for you.

[jra]

I use very large red rickshaws. They are called London buses.

Once I'm in London, almost all public transport is free on a zones 1-6 travel card.

Try using it with one of these rickshaws - see how that goes for you.

I've seen them, but not tried them (proper rickshaws that is). Apparently, I can even get a discount on some of the London riverboats. Nice day trip to Richmond/Hampton Court from Westminster Pier single and then back by tube/bus.