Creamola Foam wrote:nobody likes austerity measures
BUT
only an idiot would think we dont need them. Look at greece and italy
IF they dont want tory rule maybe they should have all voted for the same party
Avon Barksdale wrote:Creamola Foam wrote:nobody likes austerity measures
BUT
only an idiot would think we dont need them. Look at greece and italy
IF they dont want tory rule maybe they should have all voted for the same party
We don't need them. Clamping down on tax avoidance and making corporations pay a fair amount of tax would achieve the same end.
It's a swindle to allow Tory ideologues to dismantle the welfare state and it is a transparent ploy.
Trapper John wrote:I think the dramatics over scrapping the EHRA is a tad over the top - It's my understanding that it will be replaced with a British Human Rights Act - one that is more geared to our definition of human rights and not those of European federalists.
If it rids us of the shite which has gravitated here in the past two decades, then I'm all for it - I mean why would any sane British person want foreign rapists, murderers, violent criminals and countless thieves walking our streets just because they managed to bash out a few kids with some thick, low life British woman?
And if anyone is under the illusion that the NHS hasn't been under continuous dismantlement for the past 30+ years, regardless of what party was in power, they need a reality check.
sleepysam wrote:uh oh.. the UK needs to stick with the EU.. it is nothing without it. first the tories took away all our nationalised industry and sold them to european countries, and now they want to take us out of the eu! cheers! - what exactly are they trying to do????
LordRaven wrote:Avon Barksdale wrote:Creamola Foam wrote:nobody likes austerity measures
BUT
only an idiot would think we dont need them. Look at greece and italy
IF they dont want tory rule maybe they should have all voted for the same party
We don't need them. Clamping down on tax avoidance and making corporations pay a fair amount of tax would achieve the same end.
It's a swindle to allow Tory ideologues to dismantle the welfare state and it is a transparent ploy.
The problem we discussed the other day again Avon, going all Draconian on big business will see them avoid even more desired tax---because they'll up sticks and go abroad! As is proven by a list of people/companies who have already done so---to more favourable tax-friendly shores.
It is a bit of a balancing act and the HAVES have us all by the balls and I can't see government--no matter what party--being able to do much about it tbh
Labour had 13 years and did fuck all about it so why the lefties blame the First Tory Government since 96, in its first weeks in power, for all this is beyond me?
measurer wrote:Do a Greece, what's the worst that can happen?
rollup wrote:We actually still are a manufacturing nation to a degree and an exporting one which is quite surprising when you do a little research.
The austerity stuff is not needed.
It's a con.
Greece ... why is Greece being mentioned?
Greece went straight for the severest austerity imaginable and people are going hungry many people have no medicine.
All this debt is a fucking magic trick as well.
A 128 countries ... left wing right wing centre and so on have been hit by this banking scam/crime so like the ex bank of England boss Mervyn King said ... it has nothing to do with politics pensions benefits etc and everything to do with banking finance investments and globalisation.
The money that was loaned out didn't exist till someone wanted to borrow it.
You ask for a hundred grand it is magicked up out of thin air ... it doesn't come from existing money.
It's destroyed a little later and goes back to not existing but the interest on this magicians magic hat money remains payable.
So nothing tangible was loaned out in the first place.
This three minute video gives a glimpse of the ridiculousness of the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyePCRkq620
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