Ghislaine Maxwell

[LordRaven]

LordRaven denies girls can be so traumatised by early damaging experiences that they end up in a cycle of abuse. He only sees how gilded their cage is, he actually seems to enjoy their trauma and says they deserve it.
It's not as simple as saying she could leave any time she wanted, women caught up in any kind of abuse have had their spirit long broken. Try having some compassion for every girl and woman exploited by men instead of comparing situations to say one isn't as bad as another.

what you forget is that Raven has no comprehension skills whatsoever and regurgitates the same bollocks over and over again

for the sake of sanity you have to draw the line and let him find someone else to engage with

for some bizarre reason he seems to have a bee in his bonnet about the Epstein case, and is eager to claim that the victims weren't actually victims

I'm never sure with him if it's limited intelligence, drink talking, hatred of women or just playing the troll. It's pointless trying to talk to him, he's very blinkered and you end up tearing your hair out.

Bless!

[Holly]

LordRaven denies girls can be so traumatised by early damaging experiences that they end up in a cycle of abuse. He only sees how gilded their cage is, he actually seems to enjoy their trauma and says they deserve it.
It's not as simple as saying she could leave any time she wanted, women caught up in any kind of abuse have had their spirit long broken. Try having some compassion for every girl and woman exploited by men instead of comparing situations to say one isn't as bad as another.

what you forget is that Raven has no comprehension skills whatsoever and regurgitates the same bollocks over and over again

for the sake of sanity you have to draw the line and let him find someone else to engage with

for some bizarre reason he seems to have a bee in his bonnet about the Epstein case, and is eager to claim that the victims weren't actually victims

I'm never sure with him if it's limited intelligence, drink talking, hatred of women or just playing the troll. It's pointless trying to talk to him, he's very blinkered and you end up tearing your hair out.

Bless!

Guests eh?

[Holly]

Guiffre was a raped as a young child, wasn’t she? Then ran away. Then in and out of foster care. Then homeless.

She’s exactly the type these cunts pray on. She was recruited into the massage therapy role by Maxwell, it was clearly part of the early grooming. Take a girl from nothing and give her a bit of something.

ETA.
She was 15/16 when she was recruited to be a massage therapist.
Are you saying a child of that age is capable of choosing to give old men happy endings and she deserved it all, Raven?

Yes, a 16 year old knows exactly what she's doing at that age , especially with VGs streetwise upbringing. She might have been naive, but she knew what she was doing. She wanted the money, and I can't blame her for that. She also enjoyed the luxurious lifestyle and meeting celebrities, she was caught boasting about it. I actually do know what I'm talking about.

[LordRaven]

Guiffre was a raped as a young child, wasn’t she? Then ran away. Then in and out of foster care. Then homeless.

She’s exactly the type these cunts pray on. She was recruited into the massage therapy role by Maxwell, it was clearly part of the early grooming. Take a girl from nothing and give her a bit of something.

ETA.
She was 15/16 when she was recruited to be a massage therapist.
Are you saying a child of that age is capable of choosing to give old men happy endings and she deserved it all, Raven?

Yes, a 16 year old knows exactly what she's doing at that age , especially with VGs streetwise upbringing. She might have been naive, but she knew what she was doing. She wanted the money, and I can't blame her for that. She also enjoyed the luxurious lifestyle and meeting celebrities, she was caught boasting about it. I actually do know what I'm talking about.

I concur, the woke in here claiming she’s the Virgin Guiffre need to add an I and an A.

Intentional Advancement!

I knew exactly what I was doing when the local copper told the local landlord that I was only 15, I’d been drinking pints in that pub for 6 months.

When I was 16 and two 19 year old girls took a shine to me I was rather pleased, and I certainly didn’t feel as if I was being groomed.

However, the woke are entitled to their latter days sainthood opinions

I think they have a morbid fear of remembering what they got up to at those ages, and they are therefore trying to look worldly wise and ever so hip.

Transparent as glass.

[NastyNickers]

Guiffre was a raped as a young child, wasn’t she? Then ran away. Then in and out of foster care. Then homeless.

She’s exactly the type these cunts pray on. She was recruited into the massage therapy role by Maxwell, it was clearly part of the early grooming. Take a girl from nothing and give her a bit of something.

ETA.
She was 15/16 when she was recruited to be a massage therapist.
Are you saying a child of that age is capable of choosing to give old men happy endings and she deserved it all, Raven?

Yes, a 16 year old knows exactly what she's doing at that age , especially with VGs streetwise upbringing. She might have been naive, but she knew what she was doing. She wanted the money, and I can't blame her for that. She also enjoyed the luxurious lifestyle and meeting celebrities, she was caught boasting about it. I actually do know what I'm talking about.

A 16 year old is still a child. Still unable to vote. Or drink alcohol legally. Or smoke. Or get married.
I don’t believe they are capable of “choosing” to be sex trafficked and abused by middle aged rich men.

Streetwise upbringing? She was raped as a child. In and out of foster care and homeless.
She was incredibly vulnerable.
That’s the kind of attitude that lets down countless young girls who are preyed on by pedo sex rings.

[NastyNickers]

Ok so.

Abusing 15 and 16 year old girls. Passing them around your friends.
All ok as long as you make them rich?

Got it.

Child abuse is only child abuse if they leave you poor and in the gutter.

[LordRaven]

Ok so.

Abusing 15 and 16 year old girls. Passing them around your friends.
All ok as long as you make them rich?

Got it.

Child abuse is only child abuse if they leave you poor and in the gutter.

Remind me how old Guiffre was when she was recruited from being a masseuse at Trump’s resort to go and socialise with the Epstein crowd?

Re 12 year old girls getting trafficked and raped in Rochdale, are you saying the rapists were rich?

[Rolluplostinspace]

Lordy why are you so emotionally tied to this topic?
Spot a mile off that you never had or were responsible for kids.
Your ignorance is glaring but why are you so committed to this like it's a personal crusade?

[LordRaven]

Lordy why are you so emotionally tied to this topic?
Spot a mile off that you never had or were responsible for kids.
Your ignorance is glaring but why are you so committed to this like it's a personal crusade?

It’s a forum mate, we can’t have everyone agreeing, or it would be like North Korea

[Rolluplostinspace]

Lordy why are you so emotionally tied to this topic?
Spot a mile off that you never had or were responsible for kids.
Your ignorance is glaring but why are you so committed to this like it's a personal crusade?

It’s a forum mate, we can’t have everyone agreeing, or it would be like North Korea

Yes but you get emotional and obsessive about stuff and this topic has to be the one that has stuck out for 2022 I guess for you.
You won't stop repeating this shit over and over why?

[.SF.]

When I was 16 and two 19 year old girls took a shine to me I was rather pleased, and I certainly didn’t feel as if I was being groomed.

If you're trying to compare yourself to Epstein and Maxwell's victims then I think you're stretching things a bit too far.

[.SF.]

Lordy why are you so emotionally tied to this topic?
Spot a mile off that you never had or were responsible for kids.
Your ignorance is glaring but why are you so committed to this like it's a personal crusade?

It’s a forum mate, we can’t have everyone agreeing, or it would be like North Korea

Yes but you get emotional and obsessive about stuff and this topic has to be the one that has stuck out for 2022 I guess for you.
You won't stop repeating this shit over and over why?

It's simply argument by repetition - keep up a bombardment of the same claims until people get sick of it and stop replying, then you can say you've won the argument.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Lordy why are you so emotionally tied to this topic?
Spot a mile off that you never had or were responsible for kids.
Your ignorance is glaring but why are you so committed to this like it's a personal crusade?

It’s a forum mate, we can’t have everyone agreeing, or it would be like North Korea

Yes but you get emotional and obsessive about stuff and this topic has to be the one that has stuck out for 2022 I guess for you.
You won't stop repeating this shit over and over why?

It's simply argument by repetition - keep up a bombardment of the same claims until people get sick of it and stop replying, then you can say you've won the argument.

Well yeah he's always been one of those want to win the internets type.
He's not doing very well so far.

[Holly]

Ok so.

Abusing 15 and 16 year old girls. Passing them around your friends.
All ok as long as you make them rich?

Got it.

Child abuse is only child abuse if they leave you poor and in the gutter.

She wasn't raped FGS, she went along with everything freely! The money was just too tempting and it gave her a good life style. She could have walked away at any time. Have you even given it a thought about what would have happened to her if she didn't get involved with that particular crowd? Think about it. She would have ended up in a drug world full of bums and pimps. God knows what would have happened to her, at least she ended up in a better place. Maybe not ideal, but look, it made her a millionaire. That would never have happened if she wouldn't have got mixed up with Epstein. She might still be hooking herself out for $30/40, maybe be a full blown drug addict and maybe not even be alive anymore. That's the other side of the coin. Have you thought about it? That Epstein lot definitely has done wrong, no doubt about it, but tbh, I think they actually saved VGs life, even if it was unintentionally.

[.SF.]

Ok so.

Abusing 15 and 16 year old girls. Passing them around your friends.
All ok as long as you make them rich?

Got it.

Child abuse is only child abuse if they leave you poor and in the gutter.

She wasn't raped FGS, she went along with everything freely! The money was just too tempting and it gave her a good life style. She could have walked away at any time. Have you even given it a thought about what would have happened to her if she didn't get involved with that particular crowd? Think about it. She would have ended up in a drug world full of bums and pimps. God knows what would have happened to her, at least she ended up in a better place. Maybe not ideal, but look, it made her a millionaire. That would never have happened if she wouldn't have got mixed up with Epstein. She might still be hooking herself out for $40, maybe be a full drug addict and maybe not even be alive anymore. That's the other side of the coin. Have you thought about it? That Epstein lot definitely has done wrong, no doubt about it, but tbh, I think they actually saved VGs life, even if it was unintentionally.

If only Maxwell's legal team had thought to use that line of reasoning as a defence.