Britons to pay €7 to enter Europe

[Maddog]

Let's not forget, this fee is also voluntary.

[Maddog]

What a stupid game to play with only one side holding the cards.

You hold all the cards now.

Play them wisely.

[Raggamuffin]

Why did anyone vote leave, didn’t they even consider the consequences?
All they do now is moan about extra costs and impositions placed upon them.
They’re all as thick as pig shit.

It's the remainers who are moaning about that.

Except we're not. We actually warned you about things like this but Brexiters dismissed it as "Project Fear" and more "Remoaner scaremongering".

You avoided answering BL's question, "Why did anyone vote leave, didn’t they even consider the consequences?"

BL made a sweeping statement, so I made one back. I expect you didn't realise that.

Hardly sweeping and to help you I highlighted the pertinent bit - "didn’t they even consider the consequences?"

He's still waiting for an answer to that.

Of course it was sweeping - he lumped all leavers together.

He can wait all he likes. You can tell him that if he wants an answer, he can be more civil.

[Stooo]

What a stupid game to play with only one side holding the cards.

You hold all the cards now.

Play them wisely.

We really don't. We have nothing, zero, zilch, it was all built on promises. I'm seeing it as a learning process like you do with puppies.

[Maddog]

What a stupid game to play with only one side holding the cards.

You hold all the cards now.

Play them wisely.

We really don't. We have nothing, zero, zilch, it was all built on promises. I'm seeing it as a learning process like you do with puppies.

You really do. You hold all of the cards. All of your decisions come from your country. When you were part of the EU, they held most of the cards and you got to play yours when they permitted you.

It's amazing to me that anyone would want to have any decisions made outside of their country.

Fuck that noise. Handle your own shit.

[Cactus Jack]

What a stupid game to play with only one side holding the cards.

You're forgetting how we're viewed Stoo.

This wasn't about the good of the country or what's best for the people this was only ever about who got to lead the Conservative party because British people are so stupid they think Social Justice is a bad thing.

David Cameron rode on the anti-Europe train convinced that the lines of kant and rhetoric would have no real world effect whatsoever. Sure some Eastern Europeans were denied mortgages, some Black people got killed and some Jews got attacked by 'nutters' but the 'salt of the Earth' white working class bloke who had been hoodwinked into voting Tory would always vote for what the Tory Leader told them to.

There was not one moment of consideration given to how Brexit would happen if the people were to actually vote for it and David Cameron got out of dodge pretty damn sharpish once it did. He gambled but all he lost was office - and even that just meant he could spend all his time on his more lucrative lobbying side hustle.

After that there was a deal to be made with the Lib Dems, Labour and the bulk of Tory MPs at that time who knew the kind of Brexit the ERG were looking for was economic suicide. We could have had membership of the EEA so the Tories could say they delivered on Brexit but no real damage was possible but Theresa May had to promise 'not a soft Brexit or Hard Brexit but a Red, White and Blue Brexit' - so the soft Brexit was out. Of course she couldn't deliver on this promise and was eventually ousted but there was that consultancy and speech circuit again - she made over £1 million in the year after leaving office - well over he PMs salary.

Guaranteed that Labour would not and the Lib Dems could not support the convoluted schemes required and pushed into a corner by the DUP Theresa May got ousted by vague utopian promises of a UK with all the advantages of EU membership but bound by none of the conditions and Boris became Tory Leader.

Right now Boris knows it's a complete balls up. He knows he's been played into a blind corner and there's no way out for him, but when he goes there will still be the consultancies and the speaking tours and the blue rinse conservatives associations who'll pay him a few thousand pounds for a twenty minutes speech and he'll suffer no consequences for his actions - consequences are for little people like us.

[Stooo]

You really do. You hold all of the cards. All of your decisions come from your country. When you were part of the EU, they held most of the cards and you got to play yours when they permitted you.

It's amazing to me that anyone would want to have any decisions made outside of their country.

Fuck that noise. Handle your own shit.

Great in theory just like communism and working out in the same way...

This is what secession looks like and it ain't pretty

[Stooo]

consequences are for little people like us.

I'm happy with sitting back for a bit and keeping my avatar valid.

Real protests are not something that I can do now but I'll continue online, it's all too fucked up for now.

[Cactus Jack]

What a stupid game to play with only one side holding the cards.

You hold all the cards now.

Play them wisely.

What cards?

Name one clear Brexit advantage. I'm not talking about a catchy little maxim or a homespun bit of folk wisdom I mean an empirical and quantifiable advantage.

This will get a lot of waffle, bullshit and possibly personal abuse as a reply

[Grafenwalder]

Of course it was sweeping - he lumped all leavers together.

He can wait all he likes. You can tell him that if he wants an answer, he can be more civil.

So you considered the consequences, the loss of industries, peoples jobs, their homes, and thought "yep i'm cool with that, sod 'em"?

[art0hur0moh]

You do.

The cost of a tourist visa to visit America is $160 for Europeans.

Well, we're worth it.

I would rather go to china. Your guns are gone with a fake bill (a bill is one page, and receipt the conclusion of transactions!) passed in less than three days written by lobbyists and not read by elected cartel members! What are the words used most often... good faith, temporary, etc...

ie, introduction of great britains trade act in 1707. Parliament was unable to conclude trade taxis, so introduced a temporary amendment clause still used today to subjugate and extort revenue for a tyrannical ponzi scheme...

Who’s trading Taxis? I use Bolt.

Latin for arrangement, the fiscal state is a foreign country, didn't you know that?

[Raggamuffin]

Of course it was sweeping - he lumped all leavers together.

He can wait all he likes. You can tell him that if he wants an answer, he can be more civil.

So you considered the consequences, the loss of industries, peoples jobs, their homes, and thought "yep i'm cool with that, sod 'em"?

You got all that from my post? Wow! You lefties certainly have vivid imaginations.

[Raggamuffin]

What a stupid game to play with only one side holding the cards.

You're forgetting how we're viewed Stoo.

This wasn't about the good of the country or what's best for the people this was only ever about who got to lead the Conservative party because British people are so stupid they think Social Justice is a bad thing.

David Cameron rode on the anti-Europe train convinced that the lines of kant and rhetoric would have no real world effect whatsoever. Sure some Eastern Europeans were denied mortgages, some Black people got killed and some Jews got attacked by 'nutters' but the 'salt of the Earth' white working class bloke who had been hoodwinked into voting Tory would always vote for what the Tory Leader told them to.

There was not one moment of consideration given to how Brexit would happen if the people were to actually vote for it and David Cameron got out of dodge pretty damn sharpish once it did. He gambled but all he lost was office - and even that just meant he could spend all his time on his more lucrative lobbying side hustle.

After that there was a deal to be made with the Lib Dems, Labour and the bulk of Tory MPs at that time who knew the kind of Brexit the ERG were looking for was economic suicide. We could have had membership of the EEA so the Tories could say they delivered on Brexit but no real damage was possible but Theresa May had to promise 'not a soft Brexit or Hard Brexit but a Red, White and Blue Brexit' - so the soft Brexit was out. Of course she couldn't deliver on this promise and was eventually ousted but there was that consultancy and speech circuit again - she made over £1 million in the year after leaving office - well over he PMs salary.

Guaranteed that Labour would not and the Lib Dems could not support the convoluted schemes required and pushed into a corner by the DUP Theresa May got ousted by vague utopian promises of a UK with all the advantages of EU membership but bound by none of the conditions and Boris became Tory Leader.

Right now Boris knows it's a complete balls up. He knows he's been played into a blind corner and there's no way out for him, but when he goes there will still be the consultancies and the speaking tours and the blue rinse conservatives associations who'll pay him a few thousand pounds for a twenty minutes speech and he'll suffer no consequences for his actions - consequences are for little people like us.

Look at yourself before you accuse Brits of being "stupid". Has it occurred to you that people made up their own minds, they weren't hoodwinked by anyone, and leavers don't regret the way they voted? If you want to be "Irish", mind your manners when you talk about Brits.

[Grafenwalder]

Of course it was sweeping - he lumped all leavers together.

He can wait all he likes. You can tell him that if he wants an answer, he can be more civil.

So you considered the consequences, the loss of industries, peoples jobs, their homes, and thought "yep i'm cool with that, sod 'em"?

You got all that from my post? Wow! You lefties certainly have vivid imaginations.

Either you considered the consequences, or you didn't - so which is it?

[Grafenwalder]

What a stupid game to play with only one side holding the cards.

You're forgetting how we're viewed Stoo.

This wasn't about the good of the country or what's best for the people this was only ever about who got to lead the Conservative party because British people are so stupid they think Social Justice is a bad thing.

David Cameron rode on the anti-Europe train convinced that the lines of kant and rhetoric would have no real world effect whatsoever. Sure some Eastern Europeans were denied mortgages, some Black people got killed and some Jews got attacked by 'nutters' but the 'salt of the Earth' white working class bloke who had been hoodwinked into voting Tory would always vote for what the Tory Leader told them to.

There was not one moment of consideration given to how Brexit would happen if the people were to actually vote for it and David Cameron got out of dodge pretty damn sharpish once it did. He gambled but all he lost was office - and even that just meant he could spend all his time on his more lucrative lobbying side hustle.

After that there was a deal to be made with the Lib Dems, Labour and the bulk of Tory MPs at that time who knew the kind of Brexit the ERG were looking for was economic suicide. We could have had membership of the EEA so the Tories could say they delivered on Brexit but no real damage was possible but Theresa May had to promise 'not a soft Brexit or Hard Brexit but a Red, White and Blue Brexit' - so the soft Brexit was out. Of course she couldn't deliver on this promise and was eventually ousted but there was that consultancy and speech circuit again - she made over £1 million in the year after leaving office - well over he PMs salary.

Guaranteed that Labour would not and the Lib Dems could not support the convoluted schemes required and pushed into a corner by the DUP Theresa May got ousted by vague utopian promises of a UK with all the advantages of EU membership but bound by none of the conditions and Boris became Tory Leader.

Right now Boris knows it's a complete balls up. He knows he's been played into a blind corner and there's no way out for him, but when he goes there will still be the consultancies and the speaking tours and the blue rinse conservatives associations who'll pay him a few thousand pounds for a twenty minutes speech and he'll suffer no consequences for his actions - consequences are for little people like us.

Look at yourself before you accuse Brits of being "stupid". Has it occurred to you that people made up their own minds, they weren't hoodwinked by anyone, and leavers don't regret the way they voted? If you want to be "Irish", mind your manners when you talk about Brits.