Nurses deride 3% pay offer.

[Maddog]

If civil service jobs are so easy by all means apply for one, they're 50,000 customs officers short because of Brexit and they'll probably take anyone right now

https://www.lloydsloadinglist.com/freig ... /77542.htm

Sounds like there is no reason ro be unemployed over there.

Could I telecommute and get paid 6 figures. Do I have e to pay your oppressive taxes?

You get a healthcare system that is free at the point of use.

For now.

But don't worry this news on keeping UK nurses pay low is good for you. The USA pays top dollar for British trained nurses, which is why so many of them leave the NHS and go to you.

One of the states that pays least for nurse practioners still gives a salary of $97940, which works out to around £70,000 and of course living costs are cheaper is South Carolina, that compares to less than £40,000 for an average nurse practioner in the UK

Yeah, the market forces in out system result in highly paid professionals.

I'm a fan of highly paid professionals working on me and my loved ones.

I don't think serfs do as a good a job.

It's just a pity you pay twice as much to get poorer results by every single metric

You have no idea what I pay here, or what I would pay in the UK.

US health-care is expensive. But it's quick and excellent in quality.

Except for the government provided part.

It's adequate I guess.

[Maddog]

There are only well paid professionals and serfs says the man who talks about false dichotomies.

Those are two of many.

[Stooo]

Dumping the BBC would help to pay for nurse wage increases
GETTING RID OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS WOULD ALSO HELP
Stopping some overseas aid would also help

There are SPECIALIST NURSES in hospitals who are highly qualified in certain fields, their knowledge and expertise assist doctors surgeons, consultants mega, this group are really SPECIAL IMHO and deserve MEGA payment.
Then we have the rest of the NHS who we could not do without.

I would not object to increased taxes for NHS ONLY WAGE INCREASE if our government made those not paying appropriate taxes pay up.
The NHS value to us who have or are paying for it is imeasurable IMHO

GIVE THEM A MEGA RISE, NOT PITTANCE

I can't find anything wrong with this post Major, I agree with all of it

Dumping the BBC would just mean that you don't pay the fee unless of course it's changed into a Live TV NHS tax, they could put it on the side of a bus...

[Cactus Jack]

It's just a pity you pay twice as much to get poorer results by every single metric

You have no idea what I pay here, or what I would pay in the UK.

US health-care is expensive. But it's quick and excellent in quality.

Except for the government provided part.

It's adequate I guess.

Whereas that might well be true in your individual case - although it also may not be as you have said you were given a lateral flow test when you were symptomatic with covid, not a mistake a British medical professional would make - the aggregated evidence shows the opposite to be true.

That is in part because spending on healthcare is subject to a pretty steep law of diminishing returns.

In the UK everyone gets a very good standard of care and some, who are able to, get as much more as they can afford through a private system that supplements our NHS.

In the US even with the affordable care act and the medicaid expansion - or what little has been left of them - roughly 1 person in 11 has no healthcare whatsoever. The uninsured and underinsured represent a huge healthcare gap between rich and poor which is why life expectancy in the US has been falling since 2017

[Maddog]

It's just a pity you pay twice as much to get poorer results by every single metric

You have no idea what I pay here, or what I would pay in the UK.

US health-care is expensive. But it's quick and excellent in quality.

Except for the government provided part.

It's adequate I guess.

Whereas that might well be true in your individual case - although it also may not be as you have said you were given a lateral flow test when you were symptomatic with covid, not a mistake a British medical professional would make - the aggregated evidence shows the opposite to be true.

That is in part because spending on healthcare is subject to a pretty steep law of diminishing returns.

In the UK everyone gets a very good standard of care and some, who are able to, get as much more as they can afford through a private system that supplements our NHS.

In the US even with the affordable care act and the medicaid expansion - or what little has been left of them - roughly 1 person in 11 has no healthcare whatsoever. The uninsured and underinsured represent a huge healthcare gap between rich and poor which is why life expectancy in the US has been falling since 2017

I never said what kind of test I was given.

I said didn't know.

I like my healthcare, and after talking about my experiences with Brits on other forums, I have reason to.

[Cactus Jack]

You described the test and what you described was a lateral flow.

If I don't know what an animal is but can say it has four legs, wags it's tail and says woof you're allowed to draw your own conclusions. Although you would probably decide it was a cat.

And the British you're talking to have been given NHS care every day of their lives and see it as a right, US healthcare can be extremely good but it can also be less than second rate as the over prescription of opiods through the 80s into the late naughts demonstrates

[Maddog]

You described the test and what you described was a lateral flow.

If I don't know what an animal is but can say it has four legs, wags it's tail and says woof you're allowed to draw your own conclusions. Although you would probably decide it was a cat.

And the British you're talking to have been given NHS care every day of their lives and see it as a right, US healthcare can be extremely good but it can also be less than second rate as the over prescription of opiods through the 80s into the late naughts demonstrates

Yes it can be quite good.

I'm happy with it.

Except for the government run part.

[Cactus Jack]

You described the test and what you described was a lateral flow.

If I don't know what an animal is but can say it has four legs, wags it's tail and says woof you're allowed to draw your own conclusions. Although you would probably decide it was a cat.

And the British you're talking to have been given NHS care every day of their lives and see it as a right, US healthcare can be extremely good but it can also be less than second rate as the over prescription of opiods through the 80s into the late naughts demonstrates

Yes it can be quite good.

I'm happy with it.

Except for the government run part.

You don't think soldiers should get treatment on the battlefield!!!!

[Maddog]

You described the test and what you described was a lateral flow.

If I don't know what an animal is but can say it has four legs, wags it's tail and says woof you're allowed to draw your own conclusions. Although you would probably decide it was a cat.

And the British you're talking to have been given NHS care every day of their lives and see it as a right, US healthcare can be extremely good but it can also be less than second rate as the over prescription of opiods through the 80s into the late naughts demonstrates

Yes it can be quite good.

I'm happy with it.

Except for the government run part.

You don't think soldiers should get treatment on the battlefield!!!!

My experience with the VA is that former soldiers get shitty healthcare compared to the rest of us.

They get care, and it costs them nothing, except possibly their health or life.

[Cactus Jack]

You described the test and what you described was a lateral flow.

If I don't know what an animal is but can say it has four legs, wags it's tail and says woof you're allowed to draw your own conclusions. Although you would probably decide it was a cat.

And the British you're talking to have been given NHS care every day of their lives and see it as a right, US healthcare can be extremely good but it can also be less than second rate as the over prescription of opiods through the 80s into the late naughts demonstrates

Yes it can be quite good.

I'm happy with it.

Except for the government run part.

You don't think soldiers should get treatment on the battlefield!!!!

My experience with the VA is that former soldiers get shitty healthcare compared to the rest of us.

They get care, and it costs them nothing, except possibly their health or life.

You think VA's are on active battlefields.

I don't really know where to start with that one.

[Grafenwalder]

You described the test and what you described was a lateral flow.

If I don't know what an animal is but can say it has four legs, wags it's tail and says woof you're allowed to draw your own conclusions. Although you would probably decide it was a cat.

And the British you're talking to have been given NHS care every day of their lives and see it as a right, US healthcare can be extremely good but it can also be less than second rate as the over prescription of opiods through the 80s into the late naughts demonstrates

Yes it can be quite good.

I'm happy with it.

Except for the government run part.

You don't think soldiers should get treatment on the battlefield!!!!

My experience with the VA is that former soldiers get shitty healthcare compared to the rest of us.

They get care, and it costs them nothing, except possibly their health or life.

Thats one aspect of where your system and ours differs. Our armed forces get excellent healthcare and if serving overseas, depending on the accident/illness, would be repatriated via air to UK. If ex-forces they still receive the same level of healthcare as civilians - why shouldn't they?

Like you, I too don't like our "government run part" as this lot ignored their own Pandemic Preparedness strategy three years back in favour of saving a few quid. Result being when we were hit by the pandemic, stocks of PPE were hopelessly inadequate and much of it was out of date stock.

Given chance the Tories would privatise it for the wealthy and the less well off would suffer. They've been hacking away at it for years.

This chap isn't a politician and not affiliated to any party. He's boss of the NHS and this is what he had to say about Brexiters false claim of sending £350m to the EU every week, and promising "lets fund our NHS instead".

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[Maddog]

You described the test and what you described was a lateral flow.

If I don't know what an animal is but can say it has four legs, wags it's tail and says woof you're allowed to draw your own conclusions. Although you would probably decide it was a cat.

And the British you're talking to have been given NHS care every day of their lives and see it as a right, US healthcare can be extremely good but it can also be less than second rate as the over prescription of opiods through the 80s into the late naughts demonstrates

Yes it can be quite good.

I'm happy with it.

Except for the government run part.

You don't think soldiers should get treatment on the battlefield!!!!

My experience with the VA is that former soldiers get shitty healthcare compared to the rest of us.

They get care, and it costs them nothing, except possibly their health or life.

You think VA's are on active battlefields.

I don't really know where to start with that one.

No, but I know that the VA is a government run health service, funded by the tax payer, that provides inferior service compared to out private healthcare.

You would no doubt find it satisfactory.

[Maddog]

You described the test and what you described was a lateral flow.

If I don't know what an animal is but can say it has four legs, wags it's tail and says woof you're allowed to draw your own conclusions. Although you would probably decide it was a cat.

And the British you're talking to have been given NHS care every day of their lives and see it as a right, US healthcare can be extremely good but it can also be less than second rate as the over prescription of opiods through the 80s into the late naughts demonstrates

Yes it can be quite good.

I'm happy with it.

Except for the government run part.

You don't think soldiers should get treatment on the battlefield!!!!

My experience with the VA is that former soldiers get shitty healthcare compared to the rest of us.

They get care, and it costs them nothing, except possibly their health or life.

Thats one aspect of where your system and ours differs. Our armed forces get excellent healthcare and if serving overseas, depending on the accident/illness, would be repatriated via air to UK. If ex-forces they still receive the same level of healthcare as civilians - why shouldn't they?

Like you, I too don't like our "government run part" as this lot ignored their own Pandemic Preparedness strategy three years back in favour of saving a few quid. Result being when we were hit by the pandemic, stocks of PPE were hopelessly inadequate and much of it was out of date stock.

Given chance the Tories would privatise it for the wealthy and the less well off would suffer. They've been hacking away at it for years.

This chap isn't a politician and not affiliated to any party. He's boss of the NHS and this is what he had to say about Brexiters false claim of sending £350m to the EU every week, and promising "lets fund our NHS instead".

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Our active military get airlifted all over the planet too.

Your ex forces get the same level of care as our's.

Most Brits have no idea what our healthcare looks like.

A lot of Canadiens that come here because they are tired of waiting, have a much better idea.

[Guest]

I think 3% is rather good. They want 12%. WTF. I haven't had a rise in my ESA for years. They're just greedy. We know they'll give in and they'll get about 8% as Sky News says but if I were Boris I'd stand firm and wouldn't increase it.

I understand that you're just a wind up merchant, and not a very good one at that. But I'll answer the post.
During the last 2 years these essential workers stood up and took the task head on to keep as many people alive as possible. When they couldn't do that they gave comfort to people who were dying. They had to stand by helpless most of the time and just watch people die wondering what was the point of them being in the medical profession when this virus just left them on the sidelines feeling helpless. All you ever hear is stay in and save the NHS. The government should scrap your benefits and every lazy cunt like you and use the money to save the NHS.
This virus has proved that it's the little people the ones who get overlooked and sneered at because they're shelf stackers. Something you wouldn't do because you feel it's below you. Yet these people got up every day and had to take abuse from from scumbags who complained that they had to queue for to long and then their fav bag of crisps were sold out.
These workers and every other essential worker who has proved who really keeps the country running should be paid a decent wage.

[Cactus Jack]

Don't tell Maddog about American going to Cuba for healthcare - it might upset him