17 Dead in school shooting.

[Lady Murasaki]

If you are seeing a new, undesired behavior in people, you have to identify the new stimuli that has been introduced to cause this new behavior.

Access hasn't changed, nor have the weapons themselves.

I will admit that use of the AR and its variants has increased even though availability hasn't changed.

I'm in the middle of reading an article and one of its theories (along with political radicalisation, aberrant behaviour and mental health issues) is the "contagion" impact of copycat killings which are highly planned and premeditated. I hadn't really thought of the issue in that way before.

There is almost something intoxicating for some people in terms of grabbing that particular weapon and forcing the world to take notice of them if only for a short period of time.

Outside of the Vegas shooter, these dumb kids don't even know why they are using the AR. Only that the others used it so it must be the best weapon for shooting unarmed people at 10 feet.

Yeah, it is like some of these kids live in an alternative plane of existence where their real world actions aren't firmly anchored to the picture of the world they see in their heads.

From what I can gather from the killer's profile it seems to fit the pattern of radicalisation - training with a white supremacist group, socially isolated, traumatic life events including a bereavement, increasing escalation of aberrant behaviour over time and obssession with guns and knives and so on.

It seems that reducing overall gun ownership could help but it's not the whole picture. Your country's kids are killing each other at a rate of knots with guns, ours with knives. What is going on with some of our young people, especially men and how do we improve that?

First you have to admit there is a problem, USA don't seem to want to do that, then you have to have the will to do something about it. Look at the developed and underdeveloped countries where this doesn't happen. How are they raising their children? How is their society structured? What are their laws? How does their mass media behave? Is young life a cost for financial/world success? Are we too greedy and judgmental and less caring or kind as a society?

[Lambert]

All of the school shooters this year have been Christians.
Think about that for a minute.

Let's think about the fact you just made that up.

[Cannydc]

"Your country's kids are killing each other at a rate of knots with guns, ours with knives."

In the year ending September 2015 (latest figures available) there were 188 murders using knives in the UK.

In the year ending March 2016, there were 38 homicide victims under 16 years of age. This was the lowest number since data on homicide victims by age of victim was first published in 1972. Around 2/3s were knife killings, 1/3 by kicking or punching. So about 25 or so kids a year are stabbed to death in the UK.

Although tragic, that's not really killing at a rate of knots.

Especially compared to the US, where gun deaths average 27 a day - equating to 8,200 a year.

So, as many die in a day in the US from gunshots as kids die in a year here from knife wounds.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 6/homicide

[Rockstar]

Remove the ability for the NRA to fund Republicans.

I have always found the lobbying part to be very skewed and worst for democracy be it Big Pharma or Big OIl or the NRA...

[Lady Murasaki]

"Your country's kids are killing each other at a rate of knots with guns, ours with knives."

In the year ending September 2015 (latest figures available) there were 188 murders using knives in the UK.

In the year ending March 2016, there were 38 homicide victims under 16 years of age. This was the lowest number since data on homicide victims by age of victim was first published in 1972. Around 2/3s were knife killings, 1/3 by kicking or punching. So about 25 or so kids a year are stabbed to death in the UK.

Although tragic, that's not really killing at a rate of knots.

Especially compared to the US, where gun deaths average 27 a day - equating to 8,200 a year.

So, as many die in a day in the US from gunshots as kids die in a year here from knife wounds.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 6/homicide

Other countries have accessibility to guns too but they don't seem to want to kill each other on the scale of the US.

[Cannydc]

"Your country's kids are killing each other at a rate of knots with guns, ours with knives."

In the year ending September 2015 (latest figures available) there were 188 murders using knives in the UK.

In the year ending March 2016, there were 38 homicide victims under 16 years of age. This was the lowest number since data on homicide victims by age of victim was first published in 1972. Around 2/3s were knife killings, 1/3 by kicking or punching. So about 25 or so kids a year are stabbed to death in the UK.

Although tragic, that's not really killing at a rate of knots.

Especially compared to the US, where gun deaths average 27 a day - equating to 8,200 a year.

So, as many die in a day in the US from gunshots as kids die in a year here from knife wounds.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 6/homicide

Other countries have accessibility to guns too but they don't seem to want to kill each other on the scale of the US.

My guess is that cultural reasons are why.

Gang culture

Gun culture

Rap culture

[Lady Murasaki]

"Your country's kids are killing each other at a rate of knots with guns, ours with knives."

In the year ending September 2015 (latest figures available) there were 188 murders using knives in the UK.

In the year ending March 2016, there were 38 homicide victims under 16 years of age. This was the lowest number since data on homicide victims by age of victim was first published in 1972. Around 2/3s were knife killings, 1/3 by kicking or punching. So about 25 or so kids a year are stabbed to death in the UK.

Although tragic, that's not really killing at a rate of knots.

Especially compared to the US, where gun deaths average 27 a day - equating to 8,200 a year.

So, as many die in a day in the US from gunshots as kids die in a year here from knife wounds.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 6/homicide

Other countries have accessibility to guns too but they don't seem to want to kill each other on the scale of the US.

My guess is that cultural reasons are why.

Gang culture

Gun culture

Rap culture

Believing their own hype about Cowboy culture.
It began as a homicidal thieving nation, where guns were a crucial part. They think that's something to be proud of.

[Avon Barksdale]

"Your country's kids are killing each other at a rate of knots with guns, ours with knives."

In the year ending September 2015 (latest figures available) there were 188 murders using knives in the UK.

In the year ending March 2016, there were 38 homicide victims under 16 years of age. This was the lowest number since data on homicide victims by age of victim was first published in 1972. Around 2/3s were knife killings, 1/3 by kicking or punching. So about 25 or so kids a year are stabbed to death in the UK.

Although tragic, that's not really killing at a rate of knots.

Especially compared to the US, where gun deaths average 27 a day - equating to 8,200 a year.

So, as many die in a day in the US from gunshots as kids die in a year here from knife wounds.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 6/homicide

Fair play.

I thought it was higher. I probably had conflated the youth figure with the total figure to include adults. Glad to see the numbers falling.

[Maddog]

Five kids in five different schools in North Texas were arrested yesterday for bringing handguns to school or for making terroristic threats. This is the day after the Florida shooting. Thankfully nothing happened. But it sorta leads into the whole "something is changing in our kids mental health".

There is new stimuli in our society that is modifying behavior. Identify that, and much of the battle is won.

[Avon Barksdale]

Five kids in five different schools in North Texas were arrested yesterday for bringing handguns to school or for making terroristic threats. This is the day after the Florida shooting. Thankfully nothing happened. But it sorta leads into the whole "something is changing in our kids mental health".

There is new stimuli in our society that is modifying behavior. Identify that, and much of the battle is won.

Bloody hell.

Smartphones and social media must be playing a big part in helping to radicalise. Adults are bad enough in filtering information and keeping a firm grip on reality so when it comes to kids? Oy vey.

[Maddog]

"Your country's kids are killing each other at a rate of knots with guns, ours with knives."

In the year ending September 2015 (latest figures available) there were 188 murders using knives in the UK.

In the year ending March 2016, there were 38 homicide victims under 16 years of age. This was the lowest number since data on homicide victims by age of victim was first published in 1972. Around 2/3s were knife killings, 1/3 by kicking or punching. So about 25 or so kids a year are stabbed to death in the UK.

Although tragic, that's not really killing at a rate of knots.

Especially compared to the US, where gun deaths average 27 a day - equating to 8,200 a year.

So, as many die in a day in the US from gunshots as kids die in a year here from knife wounds.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 6/homicide

Other countries have accessibility to guns too but they don't seem to want to kill each other on the scale of the US.

My guess is that cultural reasons are why.

Gang culture

Gun culture

Rap culture

Culture is part of it. Even when you take our gun murders out of the figures, we still have higher rates than the UK and most of Europe.

Were a slightly more violent than average nation with a history of slavery and immigration from troubled parts of the world and a mixture of people's that don't always get along.

We're not as different from say Brazil, as people want to think.

[Rolluplostinspace]

18 school shootings this year is not true.

[Stooo]

This is being reported in a BS way just like vegas. Kids as witnesses report multiple shooters. AND...the friggin feds ran a surprise evacuation drill at that very school just 2 weeks ago.
One girl was talking to the unarmed Cruz as they were evacuating the building...while she heard shots from another part of the building.
Bizzarro world just like Vegas.
If you think it was this kid alone u r nuts. . There are cameras in every inch of that school. Lets see the friggin video.
What the hell was the army doing there in practically real time of the shootings??? Thats the worlds fastest response time.
One student reported shooters at both sides of a building that were attacked. There are exits at both sides of the building. Students running away from one side
the building to escape turned around fleeing gunshots from the other side.

Fucking hell Tom, there's shitloads of Instragram vids out there from the kids themselves. Have a word with yourself mate.

[Stooo]

And there you have your answer, The mentalists can get their hands on weapons.
I read today that the left wing press were rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of laying this at Trumps feet.
One headline was Trump blames shooters school friends for not notifying authorities about him before hand.
But if you think about it Trump is not far wrong.
He must have been acting strange for a while and yet no one thought to tell the cops?
They have a thing over here about not snitching, It's youth thing and nobody wants to be a snitch. So you end up with 17 school mates dead.
Tell me something, If the government turned up at your house one day and said pack up you have one week to move out we want your house.
What would you do? pack up and leave?
Or would you barricade yourself in your house and put up a fight?
I'd imagine you wouldn't just say ok you win I'm off.
Now imagine trying to confiscate 300 odd million firearms from Citizens.
Tell you what when You ban knives and try take the knifes off of your Sikh population. Come back to me and we'll talk then.

Knives, seriously?

Yes seriously stooo, Knives are the go to weapon to murder youths in London black youths by the way. I watched the news last week and they were on about banning knives. Because now most black teenagers are walking around with a knife on them.
So if we jump forward and the government decide they want to ban knives. Do you honestly think Sikhs will be like...oh ok .
I seem to remember they tried to stop Sikh children bringing their knives to school and had to drop it when it was ruled to interfere with their religious rights.
As was said earlier, your child being killed by a knife isn't better than your child being killed by a gun.
I hope the killer lives to very old age.

You can't ban knives.

[Guest]

All of the school shooters this year have been Christians.
Think about that for a minute.

Let's think about the fact you just made that up.

Wrong, they are all white Christians.
Deal with it.
Apologist cunt.