The 6 tribes of brexit

The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby wutang » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:11 pm

FT article on the 6 groups that make up the brexit debate

https://www.ft.com/content/61c12868-b35 ... tcamp=crm/
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby wutang » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:12 pm

The leavers

‘British values’ Leavers
(10 PER CENT OF THE POPULATION)
These are disproportionately older people, including many retirees, who own their own homes outright, and lean heavily towards backing either the UK Independence party — they are four times more likely than the average Briton to vote Ukip — or the Conservatives. These voters tend to live away from large cities and are more likely than any other group to think immigration has had a negative impact on Britain — even though they are unlikely to have experienced its effects first-hand.

Their vote in last year’s referendum was primarily ideological, and therefore especially resistant to pro-Remain arguments. They tend to think the UK was a better place in previous generations, and that leaving the EU will help slow the ethnic and cultural change that the country has seen in recent decades.


Working-class Leavers
(15 PER CENT OF THE POPULATION)
This is another group of hardline Leave supporters, though they come from very different backgrounds to the “British values” voters. They are the youngest Leave voters — almost half are under the age of 45 — and more likely than any other group to be living in social housing. Voters in this working-class group tend to come from the north of England, but are far less likely than any other Leavers to live in rural areas. 

This group could also be referred to as “red Leavers”, because they are mostly based in the working-class towns and cities of Labour’s northern heartlands. Many of these areas are among the most economically deprived in the UK, meaning anti-establishment sentiment may have played a bigger role with “working-class Leavers” than among their “British values” counterparts.



Moderate Leavers
(18 PER CENT OF THE POPULATION)
This is a mixed group with varying characteristics. They are more rural than the “working-class” group, but have lower skilled jobs than the “British values” bracket. They have the least negative views on immigration among Leavers and are the least likely to vote Ukip — but they are still more negative towards immigration and more likely to back Ukip than the national average.

However, they are clearly distinct from Remainers in several key characteristics, including education. “Moderate” Leavers are almost 40 per cent more likely to have left school at 16 than the national average.
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby wutang » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:14 pm

Remain side


Disengaged Remainers
(16 PER CENT OF THE POPULATION)
This group shares many characteristics with “working-class” Leavers, but is less likely to vote Labour. They have the least amount of education compared with other Remainers, and are most likely to be in low-skilled work and social housing among Remain voters. They are also by far the most likely across all groups simply not to vote.

Crucially, age and geography — both known to be key factors in last year’s referendum — separate this group from the “red Leavers”. Almost half of “disengaged” Remainers are under the age of 35. 

While their northern counterparts have faced harsher economic conditions and only recently been exposed to immigration, “disengaged” Remainers are disproportionately based in London, where longstanding multiculturalism means anti-immigration sentiment is low. As a result, they lacked the same motivation to vote Leave.



Young, urban Remainers
(11 PER CENT OF THE POPULATION)
This group shares some characteristics with “disengaged” Remainers, but is more upwardly mobile and politically engaged. These are the youngest Remainers, the most likely across all groups to be renting from a private landlord, and the group with the highest share of students. These voters are concentrated in London and Scottish cities and are the most likely group to vote Labour and the least likely group to vote Conservative.

This largely well-educated group has grown up in multicultural Britain, with more than half living most of their lives under a Labour government. As a result, they are militantly Labour and fiercely pro-immigration — and are as firmly Remain as the “British values” group is Leave.



Older, liberal Remainers
(15 PER CENT OF THE POPULATION)
This group shares some demographics with the “British values” Leavers — more than half the members of each group are over 55, and both groups have a high share of homeowners. But the Remainers are also starkly different from their Leave-voting counterparts. 

“Older, liberal” Remainers — the embodiment of the “metropolitan liberal elite” — are the most likely of all groups to have been to university, and have the lion’s share of highly paid and skilled jobs. They tend to live in cities in the South East and the East Midlands, and although they are most likely to vote Labour, they are also disproportionately likely to back the Liberal Democrats.

A comfortable lifestyle with the education to shape positive attitudes to immigration — and situate them in the parts of the UK most exposed to its benefits — has meant that for most of these voters, a Leave vote never made much sense.
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby wutang » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:15 pm

The "british values leavers"

These voters tend to live away from large cities and are more likely than any other group to think immigration has had a negative impact on Britain — even though they are unlikely to have experienced its effects first-hand.


Sound familiar :whistle:
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Cannydc » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:51 pm

Older, liberal Remainers - "with the education to shape positive attitudes to immigration "

Also says a lot about the Leave side....
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Stooo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:33 pm

Cannydc wrote:Older, liberal Remainers - "with the education to shape positive attitudes to immigration "

Also says a lot about the Leave side....


I tick some of the boxes apart from the wealth and education ones obviously. I haven't met many leavers who are educated to degree level, I have met a few sneering twats though...
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Cobs » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:57 pm

wutang wrote:FT article on the 6 groups that make up the brexit debate


Probably 80% of the public are disengaged at this point, it's fractious and boring and will get worse before (if) it gets better. Tories are strapped to the mast now, betting their political future on a reasonable deal. Which will be last minute so only 18 months of this shit show to go. And if the EU play it tough there's the risk the British public will harden their hearts and turn a narrow leave majority into screw you Europe mentality.

All in all, a fuck-up for the connoisseurs.
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Thumper » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:32 pm

wutang wrote:The "british values leavers"

These voters tend to live away from large cities and are more likely than any other group to think immigration has had a negative impact on Britain — even though they are unlikely to have experienced its effects first-hand.


Sound familiar :whistle:


'course it's familiar, you've been posting the same pathetic crap for years. Despite having the reasons explained to you very clearly.

Mass immigration is turning this country into a shitehole. Look at Grenfell, immigrants, asylum seekers, illegal immigrants etc packed like sardines in that tower block. 40 bodies found in one flat!
The same is going on in cities all over the UK.
Every town and city I go to now feels more and more like some foreign shitehole.
It speaks volumes about your character Wutang, that you are not only content with this state of affairs but you want to invite even more of this into the UK.

YOU are obviously keen to turn the country into a shitehole, we country dwellers are not!

Got it yet?
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby wutang » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:42 pm

Thumper wrote:
wutang wrote:The "british values leavers"

These voters tend to live away from large cities and are more likely than any other group to think immigration has had a negative impact on Britain — even though they are unlikely to have experienced its effects first-hand.


Sound familiar :whistle:


'course it's familiar, you've been posting the same pathetic crap for years. Despite having the reasons explained to you very clearly.

Mass immigration is turning this country into a shitehole. Look at Grenfell, immigrants, asylum seekers, illegal immigrants etc packed like sardines in that tower block. 40 bodies found in one flat!
The same is going on in cities all over the UK.
Every town and city I go to now feels more and more like some foreign shitehole.
It speaks volumes about your character Wutang, that you are not only content with this state of affairs but you want to invite even more of this into the UK.

YOU are obviously keen to turn the country into a shitehole, we country dwellers are not!

Got it yet?



You sound angry
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Guest » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:23 pm

Thumper wrote:
wutang wrote:The "british values leavers"

These voters tend to live away from large cities and are more likely than any other group to think immigration has had a negative impact on Britain — even though they are unlikely to have experienced its effects first-hand.


Sound familiar :whistle:


'course it's familiar, you've been posting the same pathetic crap for years. Despite having the reasons explained to you very clearly.

Mass immigration is turning this country into a shitehole. Look at Grenfell, immigrants, asylum seekers, illegal immigrants etc packed like sardines in that tower block. 40 bodies found in one flat!
The same is going on in cities all over the UK.
Every town and city I go to now feels more and more like some foreign shitehole.
It speaks volumes about your character Wutang, that you are not only content with this state of affairs but you want to invite even more of this into the UK.

YOU are obviously keen to turn the country into a shitehole, we country dwellers are not!

Got it yet?

Goodness gracious what an angry person you are,

Let me guess your partner - I'm guessing male - went off with an immigrant and took away all that lovely money.
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:27 am

cobaye22 wrote:
wutang wrote:FT article on the 6 groups that make up the brexit debate


Probably 80% of the public are disengaged at this point, it's fractious and boring and will get worse before (if) it gets better. Tories are strapped to the mast now, betting their political future on a reasonable deal. Which will be last minute so only 18 months of this shit show to go. And if the EU play it tough there's the risk the British public will harden their hearts and turn a narrow leave majority into screw you Europe mentality.

All in all, a fuck-up for the connoisseurs.


Hearts will not harden, it's too important.

Love the word connoisseur
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Red Okktober » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:25 pm

wutang wrote:
Thumper wrote:
wutang wrote:The "british values leavers"

These voters tend to live away from large cities and are more likely than any other group to think immigration has had a negative impact on Britain — even though they are unlikely to have experienced its effects first-hand.


Sound familiar :whistle:


'course it's familiar, you've been posting the same pathetic crap for years. Despite having the reasons explained to you very clearly.

Mass immigration is turning this country into a shitehole. Look at Grenfell, immigrants, asylum seekers, illegal immigrants etc packed like sardines in that tower block. 40 bodies found in one flat!
The same is going on in cities all over the UK.
Every town and city I go to now feels more and more like some foreign shitehole.
It speaks volumes about your character Wutang, that you are not only content with this state of affairs but you want to invite even more of this into the UK.

YOU are obviously keen to turn the country into a shitehole, we country dwellers are not!

Got it yet?



You sound angry


Actually, the guest sounds very reasonable. Despite the tragedy of Grenfell, one thing it has highlighted, is the demographic of inner city high rises.

On what grounds would you encourage social housing being be taken up by illegal immigrants, unemployable, or unskilled foreigners?

Are you an unskilled, unemployable illegal immigrant yourself? It doesn't make any sense why you would advocate such people being allowed in, unless you were one yourself.
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Mark » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:41 am

OI!!!!
Wheres my Tribe ??

oh how quickly forgotten eh Wu :smilin:

my tribe is us folk, young old and in between
who voted Leave
due to our love of our semblance of Democracy
and our hatred of Empire

we will once again have the power to vote out the bag o bastards who rule for the establishment, and just maybe one day we'll vote for new folk who will work on ALL our behalfs
and we will also have the power to distance ourself from the insidiously spreading financial Empire of the EU
who are still funding the supertrawlers drag netting africas oceans clean of all life, still buying the most valuable arable land in the poorest nations in their land grabs
in their quest for expansion

wheres my tribe
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Cannydc » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:48 pm

Mark wrote:OI!!!!
Wheres my Tribe ??

oh how quickly forgotten eh Wu :smilin:

my tribe is us folk, young old and in between
who voted Leave
due to our love of our semblance of Democracy
and our hatred of Empire

we will once again have the power to vote out the bag o bastards who rule for the establishment, and just maybe one day we'll vote for new folk who will work on ALL our behalfs
and we will also have the power to distance ourself from the insidiously spreading financial Empire of the EU
who are still funding the supertrawlers drag netting africas oceans clean of all life, still buying the most valuable arable land in the poorest nations in their land grabs
in their quest for expansion

wheres my tribe


Dying like dinosaurs, Mark. Remainers are in the majority now, it seems.

And dividing the country into warring pro and anti Brexit tribes will go down in history as one of the Tories worst ever mistakes.
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Re: The 6 tribes of brexit

Postby Guest » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:09 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Mark wrote:OI!!!!
Wheres my Tribe ??

oh how quickly forgotten eh Wu :smilin:

my tribe is us folk, young old and in between
who voted Leave
due to our love of our semblance of Democracy
and our hatred of Empire

we will once again have the power to vote out the bag o bastards who rule for the establishment, and just maybe one day we'll vote for new folk who will work on ALL our behalfs
and we will also have the power to distance ourself from the insidiously spreading financial Empire of the EU
who are still funding the supertrawlers drag netting africas oceans clean of all life, still buying the most valuable arable land in the poorest nations in their land grabs
in their quest for expansion

wheres my tribe


Dying like dinosaurs, Mark. Remainers are in the majority now, it seems.

And dividing the country into warring pro and anti Brexit tribes will go down in history as one of the Tories worst ever mistakes.


Well apart from polling and the actual statistics you mean.

Deluded lol.
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