Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

[Maddog]

Maddog seems to have gone on a divert, deny and obfuscate exercise ever since the connections between US/NATO and isis made the msm.

Once the lack of bombing became too much for even them to cover up, it's switched from attacking the messenger, be it Global Research, Information Clearing House or any of the non western media to attacking those pointing it out as being delusional conspiracy theorist sorts who need psychological help.

Anything but the truth, eh. Same as it ever was...

I think those you mentioned are based in the West?

I know Global Research is run by a Canadian who is the son of a Russian immigrant.


I have never denied that our antics in Syria probably have made it worse, and have made it easier for ISIS to gain power.

There are plenty of people in the US that have been saying the same. But that is far different than saying Obama the idiot planned to create ISIS. In fact, if that was his plan, ISIS would be an abject failure.

[Guest]

Maddog seems to have gone on a divert, deny and obfuscate exercise ever since the connections between US/NATO and isis made the msm.

Once the lack of bombing became too much for even them to cover up, it's switched from attacking the messenger, be it Global Research, Information Clearing House or any of the non western media to attacking those pointing it out as being delusional conspiracy theorist sorts who need psychological help.

Anything but the truth, eh. Same as it ever was...

I think those you mentioned are based in the West?

I know Global Research is run by a Canadian who is the son of a Russian immigrant.


I have never denied that our antics in Syria probably have made it worse, and have made it easier for ISIS to gain power.

There are plenty of people in the US that have been saying the same. But that is far different than saying Obama the idiot planned to create ISIS. In fact, if that was his plan, ISIS would be an abject failure.

There's your problem right there. You're under the illusion that Obama controls the American government. He doesn't. He's the public face of it reading out what he's given/told to.

Try AIPAC.

[Guest]

Russian jet hit inside Syria after incursion into Turkey: U.S. official

The United States believes that the Russian jet shot down by Turkey on Tuesday was hit inside Syrian airspace after a brief incursion into Turkish airspace, a U.S. official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The official said that assessment was based on detection of the heat signature of the jet.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/ ... 4M20151125

Yep, that's the US saying that, reported by Reuters.

Must be a CT...



Mr Erdogan spoke of Turkey's "rage" at the decision to shoot down the F-4 Phantom on 22 June and described Syria as a "clear and present threat".

"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he said. The Turkish jet was on a training flight, testing Turkey's radars in the eastern Mediterranean, he said.

26 June 2012

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18584872

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Rescued Su-24 Russian Co-Pilot Rules Out Turkish Space Violation ‘Even for Second’
http://www.globalresearch.ca/rescued-su-24-co-pilot-rules-out-turkish-space-violation-even-for-second/5491409

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The Downed Russian SU-24. Turkey Is Lying: “NATO Governments Lie Every Time They Open Their Mouths”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-downed-russian-su-24-turkey-is-lying-nato-governments-lie-every-time-they-open-their-mouths/5491492

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Russia Confirms Rescue of Second Su-24 Pilot, Deployment of Air Defense Systems in Syria
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-confirms-rescue-of-2nd-su-24-pilot-deployment-of-air-defense-systems-in-syria/5491388

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Why’s The US Hanging Turkey Out To Dry?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/whys-the-us-hanging-turkey-out-to-dry/5491411

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Russian Air Force Annihilated Militants In Area Where Su-24 Was Shot Down. Erdogan Ordered Turkish Air Force Planes Be Grounded
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-air-force-annihilated-militants-in-area-where-su-24-was-shot-down-erdogan-ordered-turkish-air-force-planes-be-grounded/5491436

Information has come from Syrian sources that last night (24.11) the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces struck with massive attacks on the positions of militants (including Turkomans) in the region where the Russian Su-24 was brought down.

The source reported that most likely nothing remains of the militants who shot down the Russian MI-8 .

No detailed information has arrived yet.

Meanwhile, there has appeared information that the Turks are not putting their fighters in the air after the majority of them were lit up by Russian radar (the S-300 and, according to early reports, possibly the S-400). After the statement of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, Turkey is afraid that their planes can be destroyed when approaching the border.

In this regard the Syrians reported that the Russia air-space forces can begin the full-scale destruction of camps in the border territory, and also annihilate the retreating militants and the fuel trucks which are moving towards Turkey.

Erdogan did not receive the hoped-for support from NATO. Erdogan has acknowledged that if the Russian plane even violated the border of Turkey, this was for only for 17 seconds, which means that the Turkish Air Force, on purely physical grounds, could not have reacted to it if the provocation was not prepared in advance. This figure of 17 seconds appears in NATO reports.

Members of NATO have been ambiguously treating Erdogan’s action. At present it is difficult to judge how the situation will develop. While it is obvious that Erdogan is attempting to back off, it is already too late, as Vladimir Putin gave to understand at a meeting with the king of Jordan.

Most likely Turkey did not expect such a severe reaction from Russia.

[Maddog]

Maddog seems to have gone on a divert, deny and obfuscate exercise ever since the connections between US/NATO and isis made the msm.

Once the lack of bombing became too much for even them to cover up, it's switched from attacking the messenger, be it Global Research, Information Clearing House or any of the non western media to attacking those pointing it out as being delusional conspiracy theorist sorts who need psychological help.

Anything but the truth, eh. Same as it ever was...

I think those you mentioned are based in the West?

I know Global Research is run by a Canadian who is the son of a Russian immigrant.


I have never denied that our antics in Syria probably have made it worse, and have made it easier for ISIS to gain power.

There are plenty of people in the US that have been saying the same. But that is far different than saying Obama the idiot planned to create ISIS. In fact, if that was his plan, ISIS would be an abject failure.

There's your problem right there. You're under the illusion that Obama controls the American government. He doesn't. He's the public face of it reading out what he's given/told to.

Try AIPAC.

Sure it's not J Street?

[Maddog]

Maddog seems to have gone on a divert, deny and obfuscate exercise ever since the connections between US/NATO and isis made the msm.

Once the lack of bombing became too much for even them to cover up, it's switched from attacking the messenger, be it Global Research, Information Clearing House or any of the non western media to attacking those pointing it out as being delusional conspiracy theorist sorts who need psychological help.

Anything but the truth, eh. Same as it ever was...

I think those you mentioned are based in the West?

I know Global Research is run by a Canadian who is the son of a Russian immigrant.


I have never denied that our antics in Syria probably have made it worse, and have made it easier for ISIS to gain power.

There are plenty of people in the US that have been saying the same. But that is far different than saying Obama the idiot planned to create ISIS. In fact, if that was his plan, ISIS would be an abject failure.

There's your problem right there. You're under the illusion that Obama controls the American government. He doesn't. He's the public face of it reading out what he's given/told to.

Try AIPAC.

Sure it's not J Street?

On another note, W will be glad to know he's off the hook for all of his decisions, seeing how none of them were really his anyway?

[calitom]

The reality is Turkey knew Russia were not about to commit an act of aggression against them on their soil.
They knew the Russian planes were targeting terrorists ....NATO backed ones.


The Security Council has not only backed Russia’s military campaign (“all necessary means”), but it has also made clear that Russia is fully entitled to extend this campaign to “all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaeda, and other terrorist groups”.



The Resolution names amongst these terrorist groups the Al-Nusrah Front.

Russia is therefore fully authorised to bomb all the various jihadi groups in Syria that it is bombing.

Even the US has been forced to admit - at least in the Security Council - that the talk of Russia bombing the wrong people - the “moderate jihadis” - is nonsense.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43523.htm

Russia is the only country really fighting the terrorists. Turkey backs the terrorists..Obama backs the terrorists..Clinton backed the terrorists.Just look at what they did to Libya and Iraq--and tried to do to Egypt.Now its the same thing with Assad.
They are attempting to create more chaos.
Sorry Maddog--you are so far off on this ...Russia wasn't attacking MODERATE people.There are no moderate anti-Assad forces in Syria. Don't drink the koolaid.-Barry was burning mad at Putin for showing the world what a weenie he is.
And they were looking for any slight excuse to retaliate.
Seems that Cruz and Trump are the only ones on the right side on this among the prez candidates.--Perhaps Huckabee but he is too small of a player.

[3rdLeg]

The reality is Turkey knew Russia were not about to commit an act of aggression against them on their soil.
They knew the Russian planes were targeting terrorists ....NATO backed ones.


The Security Council has not only backed Russia’s military campaign (“all necessary means”), but it has also made clear that Russia is fully entitled to extend this campaign to “all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaeda, and other terrorist groups”.



The Resolution names amongst these terrorist groups the Al-Nusrah Front.

Russia is therefore fully authorised to bomb all the various jihadi groups in Syria that it is bombing.

Even the US has been forced to admit - at least in the Security Council - that the talk of Russia bombing the wrong people - the “moderate jihadis” - is nonsense.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43523.htm

Russia is the only country really fighting the terrorists. Turkey backs the terrorists..Obama backs the terrorists..Clinton backed the terrorists.Just look at what they did to Libya and Iraq--and tried to do to Egypt.Now its the same thing with Assad.
They are attempting to create more chaos.
Sorry Maddog--you are so far off on this ...Russia wasn't attacking MODERATE people.There are no moderate anti-Assad forces in Syria. Don't drink the koolaid.-Barry was burning mad at Putin for showing the world what a weenie he is.
And they were looking for any slight excuse to retaliate.
Seems that Cruz and Trump are the only ones on the right side on this among the prez candidates.--Perhaps Huckabee but he is too small of a player.

They all do, until they are made president and then they are made to tow the line themselves also, Trumps will be no different to Bush, Obama etc etc... Only Maddog believes the POTUS is the one really in charge....

[Maddog]

The reality is Turkey knew Russia were not about to commit an act of aggression against them on their soil.
They knew the Russian planes were targeting terrorists ....NATO backed ones.


The Security Council has not only backed Russia’s military campaign (“all necessary means”), but it has also made clear that Russia is fully entitled to extend this campaign to “all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaeda, and other terrorist groups”.



The Resolution names amongst these terrorist groups the Al-Nusrah Front.

Russia is therefore fully authorised to bomb all the various jihadi groups in Syria that it is bombing.

Even the US has been forced to admit - at least in the Security Council - that the talk of Russia bombing the wrong people - the “moderate jihadis” - is nonsense.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43523.htm

Russia is the only country really fighting the terrorists. Turkey backs the terrorists..Obama backs the terrorists..Clinton backed the terrorists.Just look at what they did to Libya and Iraq--and tried to do to Egypt.Now its the same thing with Assad.
They are attempting to create more chaos.
Sorry Maddog--you are so far off on this ...Russia wasn't attacking MODERATE people.There are no moderate anti-Assad forces in Syria. Don't drink the koolaid.-Barry was burning mad at Putin for showing the world what a weenie he is.
And they were looking for any slight excuse to retaliate.
Seems that Cruz and Trump are the only ones on the right side on this among the prez candidates.--Perhaps Huckabee but he is too small of a player.

They all do, until they are made president and then they are made to tow the line themselves also, Trumps will be no different to Bush, Obama etc etc... Only Maddog believes the POTUS is the one really in charge....

Yes, only me.

BTW, what should we call Obamacare now?

AIPACCARE?

[3rdLeg]

The reality is Turkey knew Russia were not about to commit an act of aggression against them on their soil.
They knew the Russian planes were targeting terrorists ....NATO backed ones.


The Security Council has not only backed Russia’s military campaign (“all necessary means”), but it has also made clear that Russia is fully entitled to extend this campaign to “all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaeda, and other terrorist groups”.



The Resolution names amongst these terrorist groups the Al-Nusrah Front.

Russia is therefore fully authorised to bomb all the various jihadi groups in Syria that it is bombing.

Even the US has been forced to admit - at least in the Security Council - that the talk of Russia bombing the wrong people - the “moderate jihadis” - is nonsense.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43523.htm

Russia is the only country really fighting the terrorists. Turkey backs the terrorists..Obama backs the terrorists..Clinton backed the terrorists.Just look at what they did to Libya and Iraq--and tried to do to Egypt.Now its the same thing with Assad.
They are attempting to create more chaos.
Sorry Maddog--you are so far off on this ...Russia wasn't attacking MODERATE people.There are no moderate anti-Assad forces in Syria. Don't drink the koolaid.-Barry was burning mad at Putin for showing the world what a weenie he is.
And they were looking for any slight excuse to retaliate.
Seems that Cruz and Trump are the only ones on the right side on this among the prez candidates.--Perhaps Huckabee but he is too small of a player.

They all do, until they are made president and then they are made to tow the line themselves also, Trumps will be no different to Bush, Obama etc etc... Only Maddog believes the POTUS is the one really in charge....

Yes, only me.

BTW, what should we call Obamacare now?

AIPACCARE?

Call it what you like mate, I ain't paying for it....

As far as i am concerned no-one should be put in debt because they couldn't pay for an ambulance to come for them when they had a heart attack... Maybe that is ok with you Maddog?

Off topic, apologies.

[Maddog]

The reality is Turkey knew Russia were not about to commit an act of aggression against them on their soil.
They knew the Russian planes were targeting terrorists ....NATO backed ones.


The Security Council has not only backed Russia’s military campaign (“all necessary means”), but it has also made clear that Russia is fully entitled to extend this campaign to “all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaeda, and other terrorist groups”.



The Resolution names amongst these terrorist groups the Al-Nusrah Front.

Russia is therefore fully authorised to bomb all the various jihadi groups in Syria that it is bombing.

Even the US has been forced to admit - at least in the Security Council - that the talk of Russia bombing the wrong people - the “moderate jihadis” - is nonsense.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43523.htm

Russia is the only country really fighting the terrorists. Turkey backs the terrorists..Obama backs the terrorists..Clinton backed the terrorists.Just look at what they did to Libya and Iraq--and tried to do to Egypt.Now its the same thing with Assad.
They are attempting to create more chaos.
Sorry Maddog--you are so far off on this ...Russia wasn't attacking MODERATE people.There are no moderate anti-Assad forces in Syria. Don't drink the koolaid.-Barry was burning mad at Putin for showing the world what a weenie he is.
And they were looking for any slight excuse to retaliate.
Seems that Cruz and Trump are the only ones on the right side on this among the prez candidates.--Perhaps Huckabee but he is too small of a player.

Are Syrians not capable of having a moderate view that opposes a government run by a couple of assholes for over 40 years?
No doubt the moderate forces in Syria are too weak to be of much use, but they exist. Just like they exist all over the middle east.

Putin is just bombing anyone that is a threat to Assad. I get that. That's his mission in Syria. They dont want to lose their only Mediterranean navy base and a damn good clients for their arms. If this transgression into another country was an isolated incident I would be more understanding. The Russians do this all overy the planet. That's fine too. It's called brinkmanship. But these kind of games will eventually get you shot at. I'm not going to fret over people defending their territory. If it's Sweden next week, I'll take the same position.