Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby Maddog » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:19 pm

3rdLeg wrote:
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3rdLeg wrote:
calitom wrote:
rollup wrote:The reality is Turkey knew Russia were not about to commit an act of aggression against them on their soil.
They knew the Russian planes were targeting terrorists ....NATO backed ones.


The Security Council has not only backed Russia’s military campaign (“all necessary means”), but it has also made clear that Russia is fully entitled to extend this campaign to “all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaeda, and other terrorist groups”.



The Resolution names amongst these terrorist groups the Al-Nusrah Front.

Russia is therefore fully authorised to bomb all the various jihadi groups in Syria that it is bombing.

Even the US has been forced to admit - at least in the Security Council - that the talk of Russia bombing the wrong people - the “moderate jihadis” - is nonsense.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43523.htm


Russia is the only country really fighting the terrorists. Turkey backs the terrorists..Obama backs the terrorists..Clinton backed the terrorists.Just look at what they did to Libya and Iraq--and tried to do to Egypt.Now its the same thing with Assad.
They are attempting to create more chaos.
Sorry Maddog--you are so far off on this ...Russia wasn't attacking MODERATE people.There are no moderate anti-Assad forces in Syria. Don't drink the koolaid.-Barry was burning mad at Putin for showing the world what a weenie he is.
And they were looking for any slight excuse to retaliate.
Seems that Cruz and Trump are the only ones on the right side on this among the prez candidates.--Perhaps Huckabee but he is too small of a player.


They all do, until they are made president and then they are made to tow the line themselves also, Trumps will be no different to Bush, Obama etc etc... Only Maddog believes the POTUS is the one really in charge.... :pmsl:


Yes, only me.

BTW, what should we call Obamacare now?

AIPACCARE?

:)


Call it what you like mate, I ain't paying for it....

As far as i am concerned no-one should be put in debt because they couldn't pay for an ambulance to come for them when they had a heart attack... Maybe that is ok with you Maddog?

Off topic, apologies.



There's a good chance you couldn't afford it anyway. No worries.

But did Obama have a role in this program or was he just following orders from the aliens in charge?
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby 3rdLeg » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:23 pm

3rdLeg wrote:
Maddog wrote:
3rdLeg wrote:
calitom wrote:
rollup wrote:The reality is Turkey knew Russia were not about to commit an act of aggression against them on their soil.
They knew the Russian planes were targeting terrorists ....NATO backed ones.


The Security Council has not only backed Russia’s military campaign (“all necessary means”), but it has also made clear that Russia is fully entitled to extend this campaign to “all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaeda, and other terrorist groups”.



The Resolution names amongst these terrorist groups the Al-Nusrah Front.

Russia is therefore fully authorised to bomb all the various jihadi groups in Syria that it is bombing.

Even the US has been forced to admit - at least in the Security Council - that the talk of Russia bombing the wrong people - the “moderate jihadis” - is nonsense.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43523.htm


Russia is the only country really fighting the terrorists. Turkey backs the terrorists..Obama backs the terrorists..Clinton backed the terrorists.Just look at what they did to Libya and Iraq--and tried to do to Egypt.Now its the same thing with Assad.
They are attempting to create more chaos.
Sorry Maddog--you are so far off on this ...Russia wasn't attacking MODERATE people.There are no moderate anti-Assad forces in Syria. Don't drink the koolaid.-Barry was burning mad at Putin for showing the world what a weenie he is.
And they were looking for any slight excuse to retaliate.
Seems that Cruz and Trump are the only ones on the right side on this among the prez candidates.--Perhaps Huckabee but he is too small of a player.


They all do, until they are made president and then they are made to tow the line themselves also, Trumps will be no different to Bush, Obama etc etc... Only Maddog believes the POTUS is the one really in charge.... :pmsl:


Yes, only me.

BTW, what should we call Obamacare now?

AIPACCARE?

:)


Call it what you like mate, I ain't paying for it....

As far as i am concerned no-one should be put in debt because they couldn't pay for an ambulance to come for them when they had a heart attack... Maybe that is ok with you Maddog?

Off topic, apologies.



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There's a good chance you couldn't afford it anyway. No worries.

But did Obama have a role in this program or was he just following orders from the aliens in charge?

Some call them the ruling elite, i.e, the military/Corporate industrial complex, you call them aliens, everyone to their own....

So, i admitted i was off topic, so get back on it and stop trying to change the course in an attempt to derail the thread.. :thumbsup:
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby Maddog » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:31 pm

Back on topic crazy man.

Did the ruling elite design and implement Obamacare?
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby 3rdLeg » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:00 pm

Maddog wrote:Back on topic crazy man.

Did the ruling elite design and implement Obamacare?


I dunno crazy man, but i am sure someone might know, especially if they can establish a connection between the downing of a russian fighter and obamacare... and IF THEY CAN then they deserve a fucking noble prize... :hand:
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby Maddog » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:35 pm

3rdLeg wrote:
Maddog wrote:Back on topic crazy man.

Did the ruling elite design and implement Obamacare?


I dunno crazy man, but i am sure someone might know, especially if they can establish a connection between the downing of a russian fighter and obamacare... and IF THEY CAN then they deserve a fucking noble prize... :hand:


You don't know?

Why is that. Your internet broke?
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby Guest » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:25 pm

Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President

As Sputnik transcribes, according to a press release from Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Lavrov pointed out that, "by shooting down a Russian plane on a counter-terrorist mission of the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria, and one that did not violate Turkey’s airspace, the Turkish government has in effect sided with ISIS."

It was in this context when Lavrov added that "Turkey’s actions appear premeditated, planned, and undertaken with a specific objective."

More importantly, Lavrov pointed to Turkey’s role in the propping up the terror network through the oil trade. Per the Russian statement:

...

Erdogan's Dirth Dangerous ISIS Games


More and more details are coming to light revealing that the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, variously known as ISIS, IS or Daesh, is being fed and kept alive by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish President and by his Turkish intelligence service, including MIT, the Turkish CIA. Turkey, as a result of Erdogan’s pursuit of what some call a Neo-Ottoman Empire fantasies that stretch all the way to China, Syria and Iraq, threatens not only to destroy Turkey but much of the Middle East if he continues on his present path.

In October 2014 US Vice President Joe Biden told a Harvard gathering that Erdogan’s regime was backing ISIS with “hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons…” Biden later apologized clearly for tactical reasons to get Erdo?an’s permission to use Turkey’s Incirlik Air Base for airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, but the dimensions of Erdogan’s backing for ISIS since revealed is far, far more than Biden hinted.

ISIS militants were trained by US, Israeli and now it emerges, by Turkish special forces at secret bases in Konya Province inside the Turkish border to Syria, over the past three years. Erdo?an’s involvement in ISIS goes much deeper. At a time when Washington, Saudi Arabia and even Qatar appear to have cut off their support for ISIS, they remaining amazingly durable. The reason appears to be the scale of the backing from Erdo?an and his fellow neo-Ottoman Sunni Islam Prime Minister, Ahmet Davuto?lu.

Nice Family Business

The prime source of money feeding ISIS these days is sale of Iraqi oil from the Mosul region oilfields where they maintain a stronghold. The son of Erdogan it seems is the man who makes the export sales of ISIS-controlled oil possible.

Bilal Erdo?an owns several maritime companies. He has allegedly signed contracts with European operating companies to carry Iraqi stolen oil to different Asian countries. The Turkish government buys Iraqi plundered oil which is being produced from the Iraqi seized oil wells. Bilal Erdogan’s maritime companies own special wharfs in Beirut and Ceyhan ports that are transporting ISIS’ smuggled crude oil in Japan-bound oil tankers.

Gürsel Tekin vice-president of the Turkish Republican Peoples’ Party, CHP, declared in a recent Turkish media interview, “President Erdogan claims that according to international transportation conventions there is no legal infraction concerning Bilal’s illicit activities and his son is doing an ordinary business with the registered Japanese companies, but in fact Bilal Erdo?an is up to his neck in complicity with terrorism, but as long as his father holds office he will be immune from any judicial prosecution.” Tekin adds that Bilal’s maritime company doing the oil trades for ISIS, BMZ Ltd, is “a family business and president Erdogan’s close relatives hold shares in BMZ and they misused public funds and took illicit loans from Turkish banks.”

In addition to son Bilal’s illegal and lucrative oil trading for ISIS, Sümeyye Erdogan, the daughter of the Turkish President apparently runs a secret hospital camp inside Turkey just over the Syrian border where Turkish army trucks daily being in scores of wounded ISIS Jihadists to be patched up and sent back to wage the bloody Jihad in Syria, according to the testimony of a nurse who was recruited to work there until it was discovered she was a member of the Alawite branch of Islam, the same as Syrian President Bashar al-Assad who Erdogan seems hell-bent on toppling.

More on http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... -president

From http://journal-neo.org/2015/08/24/erdog ... sis-games/

At last the real people behind isis are being revealed. It's the first in what they say will be a series of articles about Erdogan family and friends connections with terrorists.

In the next few days, we will present a full breakdown of Bilal's various business ventures, starting with his BMZ Group which is the name implicated most often in the smuggling of illegal Iraqi and Islamic State through to the western supply chain, but for now here is a brief, if very disturbing snapshot, of both father and son Erdogan by F. William Engdahl, one which should make everyone ask whether the son of Turkey's president (and thus, the father) is the silent mastermind who has been responsible for converting millions of barrels of Syrian Oil into hundreds of millions of dollars of Islamic State revenue.


This is our NATO pal and those involved are not all gulf states. Questions need to be answered as yet another conspiracy theory turns to conspiracy fact.

*links to information in article on both links.
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby Maddog » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:30 pm

Keyser wrote:http://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12294866_515430685293407_1058317765078916478_n.png?oh=75b7e1bfc4b6e92cd956e3a1f0d8501a&oe=56E8D543

:pmsl:



That's actually kinda funny. But i don't think Vlad is going to do much except what he has already started doing, which is bomb the shit out of the Turkmen in Syria that shot at his pilots and downed his helicopter. Turkey is not the Crimea or South Ossetia.
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby 3rdLeg » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:34 pm

Keyser wrote:http://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12294866_515430685293407_1058317765078916478_n.png?oh=75b7e1bfc4b6e92cd956e3a1f0d8501a&oe=56E8D543

:pmsl:


:pmsl: :pmsl: That sums it up a beaut...
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby Maddog » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:37 pm

3rdLeg wrote:
Keyser wrote:http://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12294866_515430685293407_1058317765078916478_n.png?oh=75b7e1bfc4b6e92cd956e3a1f0d8501a&oe=56E8D543

:pmsl:


:pmsl: :pmsl: That sums it up a beaut...


It does? So Turkey acted independently of any outside force?

I agree. :)
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby 3rdLeg » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:43 pm

Maddog wrote:
Keyser wrote:http://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12294866_515430685293407_1058317765078916478_n.png?oh=75b7e1bfc4b6e92cd956e3a1f0d8501a&oe=56E8D543

:pmsl:



That's actually kinda funny. But i don't think Vlad is going to do much except what he has already started doing, which is bomb the shit out of the Turkmen in Syria that shot at his pilots and downed his helicopter. Turkey is not the Crimea or South Ossetia.


Yeah it was.. and Turkmen... you mean IS sympathizers that alow Syrian oil get shipped into Turkey by IS?

Vlad... no he won't.... Turkey are already wearing over sized adult pampers at the moment, thinking... hmm maybe we should of stayed at home.... The Russians are doing what the west said they would do....And the west failed on purpose...Anyone want to take an educated guess why? Yeah i said educated, maddogs need not apply... :dafinger:

The west suck at anti terrorism because there is no money to be made in defeating it...
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby Maddog » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:46 pm

3rdLeg wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Keyser wrote:http://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12294866_515430685293407_1058317765078916478_n.png?oh=75b7e1bfc4b6e92cd956e3a1f0d8501a&oe=56E8D543

:pmsl:



That's actually kinda funny. But i don't think Vlad is going to do much except what he has already started doing, which is bomb the shit out of the Turkmen in Syria that shot at his pilots and downed his helicopter. Turkey is not the Crimea or South Ossetia.


Yeah it was.. and Turkmen... you mean IS sympathizers that alow Syrian oil get shipped into Turkey by IS?

Vlad... no he won't.... Turkey are already wearing over sized adult pampers at the moment, thinking... hmm maybe we should of stayed at home.... The Russians are doing what the west said they would do....And the west failed on purpose...Anyone want to take an educated guess why? Yeah i said educated, maddogs need not apply... :dafinger:

The west suck at anti terrorism because there is no money to be made in defeating it...


Sorry, the Turkmen and the FSA are enemies of ISIS and Assad.

Did your internet break again?
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby rollup » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:47 pm

Logistics 101: Where Does ISIS Get Its Guns?

Since ancient times an army required significant logistical support to carry out any kind of sustained military campaign. In ancient Rome, an extensive network of roads was constructed to facilitate not only trade, but to allow Roman legions to move quickly to where they were needed, and for the supplies needed to sustain military operations to follow them in turn.

ISIS’ Supply Lines

The current conflict consuming the Middle East, particularly in Iraq and Syria where the so-called “Islamic State” (ISIS) is operating and simultaneously fighting and defeating the forces of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran, we are told, is built upon a logistical network based on black market oil and ransom payments.

The fighting capacity of ISIS is that of a nation-state. It controls vast swaths of territory straddling both Syria and Iraq and not only is able to militarily defend and expand from this territory, but possesses the resources to occupy it, including the resources to administer the populations subjugated within it.

For military analysts, especially former members of Western armed forces, as well as members of the Western media who remember the convoys of trucks required for the invasions of Iraq in the 1990s and again in 2003, they surely must wonder where ISIS’ trucks are today. After all, if the resources to maintain the fighting capacity exhibited by ISIS were available within Syrian and Iraqi territory alone, then certainly Syrian and Iraqi forces would also posses an equal or greater fighting capacity but they simply do not.

And were ISIS’ supply lines solely confined within Syrian and Iraqi territory, then surely both Syrian and Iraqi forces would utilize their one advantage – air power – to cut front line ISIS fighters from the source of their supplies. But this is not happening and there is a good reason why >>>>>
http://www.globalresearch.ca/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/5454726
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby Maddog » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:17 am

rollup wrote:Logistics 101: Where Does ISIS Get Its Guns?

Since ancient times an army required significant logistical support to carry out any kind of sustained military campaign. In ancient Rome, an extensive network of roads was constructed to facilitate not only trade, but to allow Roman legions to move quickly to where they were needed, and for the supplies needed to sustain military operations to follow them in turn.

ISIS’ Supply Lines

The current conflict consuming the Middle East, particularly in Iraq and Syria where the so-called “Islamic State” (ISIS) is operating and simultaneously fighting and defeating the forces of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran, we are told, is built upon a logistical network based on black market oil and ransom payments.

The fighting capacity of ISIS is that of a nation-state. It controls vast swaths of territory straddling both Syria and Iraq and not only is able to militarily defend and expand from this territory, but possesses the resources to occupy it, including the resources to administer the populations subjugated within it.

For military analysts, especially former members of Western armed forces, as well as members of the Western media who remember the convoys of trucks required for the invasions of Iraq in the 1990s and again in 2003, they surely must wonder where ISIS’ trucks are today. After all, if the resources to maintain the fighting capacity exhibited by ISIS were available within Syrian and Iraqi territory alone, then certainly Syrian and Iraqi forces would also posses an equal or greater fighting capacity but they simply do not.

And were ISIS’ supply lines solely confined within Syrian and Iraqi territory, then surely both Syrian and Iraqi forces would utilize their one advantage – air power – to cut front line ISIS fighters from the source of their supplies. But this is not happening and there is a good reason why >>>>>
http://www.globalresearch.ca/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/5454726


You reckon Assad is giving them arms? It is odd that his airforce and army couldn't at least drive them out of Syria.
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Re: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

Postby rollup » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:20 am

Maddog wrote:
rollup wrote:Logistics 101: Where Does ISIS Get Its Guns?

Since ancient times an army required significant logistical support to carry out any kind of sustained military campaign. In ancient Rome, an extensive network of roads was constructed to facilitate not only trade, but to allow Roman legions to move quickly to where they were needed, and for the supplies needed to sustain military operations to follow them in turn.

ISIS’ Supply Lines

The current conflict consuming the Middle East, particularly in Iraq and Syria where the so-called “Islamic State” (ISIS) is operating and simultaneously fighting and defeating the forces of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran, we are told, is built upon a logistical network based on black market oil and ransom payments.

The fighting capacity of ISIS is that of a nation-state. It controls vast swaths of territory straddling both Syria and Iraq and not only is able to militarily defend and expand from this territory, but possesses the resources to occupy it, including the resources to administer the populations subjugated within it.

For military analysts, especially former members of Western armed forces, as well as members of the Western media who remember the convoys of trucks required for the invasions of Iraq in the 1990s and again in 2003, they surely must wonder where ISIS’ trucks are today. After all, if the resources to maintain the fighting capacity exhibited by ISIS were available within Syrian and Iraqi territory alone, then certainly Syrian and Iraqi forces would also posses an equal or greater fighting capacity but they simply do not.

And were ISIS’ supply lines solely confined within Syrian and Iraqi territory, then surely both Syrian and Iraqi forces would utilize their one advantage – air power – to cut front line ISIS fighters from the source of their supplies. But this is not happening and there is a good reason why >>>>>
http://www.globalresearch.ca/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/5454726


You reckon Assad is giving them arms? It is odd that his airforce and army couldn't at least drive them out of Syria.

A load of nations military supposedly fighting them and yet when you read that article it becomes obvious it's been yet another polished turd story.
Another pile of utter bullshit.
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