Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Near Border

[Maddog]

Maddog doesn't want government interfering in his life.
Maddog wants government interfering in the lives of others around the entire earth to maintain his comfort level.

That's it chump? I asked you for one fucking name of someone currently in the government who has access to current information..

Wanna try again?

[Guest]

Chief Of Russian Air Force Accuses Turkey Of Coordinated Ambush On Downed Jet

In summary, what Col. Gen. Bondarev said is that Turkey actively sought to ambush and bring down the Russian jet starting long before the actual missile was fired, which can be confirmed by the flight patterns of Turkish warplanes which had taken off well in advance, otherwise they would not have had enough time to reach the battlezone.

The Russian ministry of defense made this grave accusation quite explicit on Twitter an hour ago, when it said that Turkey had engaged in a choreographed ambush.

Here are the details of the Su-24's final hour as recounted by RT which notes that a pair of tactical bombers took off from Khmeimim airbase in Latakia at 06:15 GMT, with an assignment to carry out airstrikes in the vicinity of the settlements of Kepir, Mortlu and Zahia, all in the north of Syria. Each bomber was carrying four OFAB-250 high-explosive fragmentation bombs.

Ten minutes later, the bombers entered the range of Turkish radars and took positions in the target area, patrolling airspace at predetermined heights of 5,800 meters and 5,650 meters respectively. Both aircraft remained in the area for 34 minutes. During this time there was no contact between the crews of the Russian bombers and the Turkish military authorities or warplanes.

Some 20 minutes after arriving at the designated area, the crews received the coordinates of groups of terrorists in the region. After making a first run, the bombers performed a maneuver and then delivered a second strike.

Immediately after that, the bomber crewed by Lieutenant-Colonel Oleg Peshkov and Captain Konstantin Murakhtin was attacked by a Turkish F-16 fighter jet operating from the Diyarbak?r airfield in Turkey. The time needed to get the aircraft ready at the Diyarbak?r airfield and travel to the attack zone is an estimated 46 minutes.



"The radar surveillance data confirms that two F-16 fighter jets were patrolling the flight zone for an hour an 45 minutes at an altitude of 2,400 meters [some 7,800 feet], which speaks of a deliberate action and their readiness to attack from an ambush over the Turkish territory," Bondarev told reporter.

In order to attack the Russian Su-24 with a close-range air-to-air missile, Bondarev said that the Turkish fighter jet had to enter Syrian airspace, where it remained for about 40 seconds. "According to radar tracking data, it was the Turkish warplane that crossed into the Syrian airspace for about 40 seconds to a depth of 2 kilometers [6,560 feet], while the Russian fighter-bomber never violated the Turkish border", he said

Having launched its missile from a distance of 5-7 kilometers, the F-16 immediately turned towards the Turkish border, simultaneously dropping its altitude sharply and disappearing from the range of Russian radars at the Khmeimim airbase.

The Russian general again reiterated that at no point preceding the attack did the Russian bomber violated Turkish airspace.

One of Turkish F-16Cs stopped its maneuvers and began to approach the Su-24M bomber about 100 seconds before the Russian aircraft came closest to the Turkish border, which also confirms the attack was pre-planned, said Bondarev.



To summarize, here is what Russia has implied: the US shared the flight path details of the Russian Su-24 with Turkey in advance of the flight, which then Turkey used to ambush and take down the Russian bomber, with the implicit blessing of the Pentagon. Turkey may have further shared data with "Syria Free Army" US-armed jihadists on the ground, who not only recorded the downing of the bomber and the execution of its parachuting pilot, but also were prepared to attack a Russian rescue helicopter (with US weapons) which led to a second casualty - an attack which was also captured on clip and promptly uploaded!

Full details on http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... d-warplane

Good work USIS

[Guest]

Turkey Arrests Journalists Who Exposed Erdogan's Weapons Smuggling To Extremist Syrian Rebels

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... t-syrian-r

[Maddog]

Chief Of Russian Air Force Accuses Turkey Of Coordinated Ambush On Downed Jet

In summary, what Col. Gen. Bondarev said is that Turkey actively sought to ambush and bring down the Russian jet starting long before the actual missile was fired, which can be confirmed by the flight patterns of Turkish warplanes which had taken off well in advance, otherwise they would not have had enough time to reach the battlezone.

The Russian ministry of defense made this grave accusation quite explicit on Twitter an hour ago, when it said that Turkey had engaged in a choreographed ambush.

Here are the details of the Su-24's final hour as recounted by RT which notes that a pair of tactical bombers took off from Khmeimim airbase in Latakia at 06:15 GMT, with an assignment to carry out airstrikes in the vicinity of the settlements of Kepir, Mortlu and Zahia, all in the north of Syria. Each bomber was carrying four OFAB-250 high-explosive fragmentation bombs.

Ten minutes later, the bombers entered the range of Turkish radars and took positions in the target area, patrolling airspace at predetermined heights of 5,800 meters and 5,650 meters respectively. Both aircraft remained in the area for 34 minutes. During this time there was no contact between the crews of the Russian bombers and the Turkish military authorities or warplanes.

Some 20 minutes after arriving at the designated area, the crews received the coordinates of groups of terrorists in the region. After making a first run, the bombers performed a maneuver and then delivered a second strike.

Immediately after that, the bomber crewed by Lieutenant-Colonel Oleg Peshkov and Captain Konstantin Murakhtin was attacked by a Turkish F-16 fighter jet operating from the Diyarbak?r airfield in Turkey. The time needed to get the aircraft ready at the Diyarbak?r airfield and travel to the attack zone is an estimated 46 minutes.



"The radar surveillance data confirms that two F-16 fighter jets were patrolling the flight zone for an hour an 45 minutes at an altitude of 2,400 meters [some 7,800 feet], which speaks of a deliberate action and their readiness to attack from an ambush over the Turkish territory," Bondarev told reporter.

In order to attack the Russian Su-24 with a close-range air-to-air missile, Bondarev said that the Turkish fighter jet had to enter Syrian airspace, where it remained for about 40 seconds. "According to radar tracking data, it was the Turkish warplane that crossed into the Syrian airspace for about 40 seconds to a depth of 2 kilometers [6,560 feet], while the Russian fighter-bomber never violated the Turkish border", he said

Having launched its missile from a distance of 5-7 kilometers, the F-16 immediately turned towards the Turkish border, simultaneously dropping its altitude sharply and disappearing from the range of Russian radars at the Khmeimim airbase.

The Russian general again reiterated that at no point preceding the attack did the Russian bomber violated Turkish airspace.

One of Turkish F-16Cs stopped its maneuvers and began to approach the Su-24M bomber about 100 seconds before the Russian aircraft came closest to the Turkish border, which also confirms the attack was pre-planned, said Bondarev.



To summarize, here is what Russia has implied: the US shared the flight path details of the Russian Su-24 with Turkey in advance of the flight, which then Turkey used to ambush and take down the Russian bomber, with the implicit blessing of the Pentagon. Turkey may have further shared data with "Syria Free Army" US-armed jihadists on the ground, who not only recorded the downing of the bomber and the execution of its parachuting pilot, but also were prepared to attack a Russian rescue helicopter (with US weapons) which led to a second casualty - an attack which was also captured on clip and promptly uploaded!

Full details on http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... d-warplane

Good work USIS

This isn't rocket science. The Turks know when jets take off from Syrian bases. Their radar and spotters on the ground would inform them. They had jets waiting in the area. As soon as the Russian jests entered Turkish air space, they attacked them.

The rest of your post is pure speculation.

[Maddog]

Oh, and for the record, the Russians knew those F-16's were out there, and knew they would intercept like they always do. What they didn't know, is that they would shoot this time. Well, now they know.

[Maddog]

Three civilians were killed on Wednesday in Russian air strikes on aid vehicles near Azaz, a border town with Turkey in the northern Aleppo province, activists and a reporter said.

Russia's warplanes carried out two air strikes on an aid warehouse near the Bab al Salameh border crossing with Turkey, killing three people, including two drivers and an aid worker, according to a Zaman al-Wasl reporter.

Russia’s air force intervened in Syria on September 30 in support of embattled President Bashar al-Assad, whose forces are fighting insurgents backed by a number of regional powers including Turkey.

Activists said attacking the Turkish-sponsored aid store was a Russian reprisal over the downing of its warplane on Tuesday.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported this week that Russia's airstrikes have killed 403 civilians, including 97 children under the age of 18.

http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/30206 ... Kill_Three

Oops.

[calitom]

Three civilians were killed on Wednesday in Russian air strikes on aid vehicles near Azaz, a border town with Turkey in the northern Aleppo province, activists and a reporter said.

Russia's warplanes carried out two air strikes on an aid warehouse near the Bab al Salameh border crossing with Turkey, killing three people, including two drivers and an aid worker, according to a Zaman al-Wasl reporter.

Russia’s air force intervened in Syria on September 30 in support of embattled President Bashar al-Assad, whose forces are fighting insurgents backed by a number of regional powers including Turkey.

Activists said attacking the Turkish-sponsored aid store was a Russian reprisal over the downing of its warplane on Tuesday.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported this week that Russia's airstrikes have killed 403 civilians, including 97 children under the age of 18.

http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/30206 ... Kill_Three

Oops.

oops? do you think isis etc separate themselves from civilian populations while fighting? come on maddog. you really think war is that precise??

[Maddog]

Three civilians were killed on Wednesday in Russian air strikes on aid vehicles near Azaz, a border town with Turkey in the northern Aleppo province, activists and a reporter said.

Russia's warplanes carried out two air strikes on an aid warehouse near the Bab al Salameh border crossing with Turkey, killing three people, including two drivers and an aid worker, according to a Zaman al-Wasl reporter.

Russia’s air force intervened in Syria on September 30 in support of embattled President Bashar al-Assad, whose forces are fighting insurgents backed by a number of regional powers including Turkey.

Activists said attacking the Turkish-sponsored aid store was a Russian reprisal over the downing of its warplane on Tuesday.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported this week that Russia's airstrikes have killed 403 civilians, including 97 children under the age of 18.

http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/30206 ... Kill_Three

Oops.

oops? do you think isis etc separate themselves from civilian populations while fighting? come on maddog. you really think war is that precise??

Nope. I don't think ISIS, Al Nusra, Assad, the Turkmen or the FSA really spend too much time worrying about civilian deaths. Now we know the Russians don't either.

Oh, and when the Turks bomb the Kurds I don't think they care too much either.

That's why we need to get the hell out of there. Someone will eventually win, after tens of thousands of more civilians die, and that winner will likely suck. And we have to learn to say it's OK that much of the world is run by people that suck, because getting us and civilians killed to swap leaders that suck is a waste of our time and money.

[Guest]

Turkey Arrests Journalists Who Exposed Erdogan's Weapons Smuggling To Extremist Syrian Rebels

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... t-syrian-r

Violence Erupts In Turkey After Prominent Lawyer Is Assassinated On Live TV

A day after Turkey arrested two journalists for their report exposing Erdogan's weapons deliveries to "extremist groups" in Syria, confirming that no dissent to the president's foreign policy would be allowed, today a new riot has erupted in Istanbul following the dramatic murder in broad daylight of Tahir Elci, the president of the Turkish bar association in southeastern Diyarbakir province, who was shot dead by unidentified gunmen while giving a public speech.

A campaigner for Kurdish rights, Elci had been criticized in Turkey for saying the banned Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) was not a terrorist organization, as the government describes it. He had, however, denounced PKK violence. He was facing trial over his comments, which had infuriated state prosecutors. A Turkish prosecutor last month demanded up to seven and a half years of prison tme for Elci on the grounds of "making propaganda of a terror organization" after remarks he made supporting the PKK.

Just before being gunned down, Elci called for peace and the silencing of all guns.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... iving-publ

[Maddog]

Turkey Arrests Journalists Who Exposed Erdogan's Weapons Smuggling To Extremist Syrian Rebels

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... t-syrian-r

Violence Erupts In Turkey After Prominent Lawyer Is Assassinated On Live TV

A day after Turkey arrested two journalists for their report exposing Erdogan's weapons deliveries to "extremist groups" in Syria, confirming that no dissent to the president's foreign policy would be allowed, today a new riot has erupted in Istanbul following the dramatic murder in broad daylight of Tahir Elci, the president of the Turkish bar association in southeastern Diyarbakir province, who was shot dead by unidentified gunmen while giving a public speech.

A campaigner for Kurdish rights, Elci had been criticized in Turkey for saying the banned Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) was not a terrorist organization, as the government describes it. He had, however, denounced PKK violence. He was facing trial over his comments, which had infuriated state prosecutors. A Turkish prosecutor last month demanded up to seven and a half years of prison tme for Elci on the grounds of "making propaganda of a terror organization" after remarks he made supporting the PKK.

Just before being gunned down, Elci called for peace and the silencing of all guns.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... iving-publ

Yup say that on Facebook this morning. Did you see the Russian member of Parliament the got blown up in her car with her husband. Probably a domestic thing, but that's what they always say don't they............

[3rdLeg]

Three civilians were killed on Wednesday in Russian air strikes on aid vehicles near Azaz, a border town with Turkey in the northern Aleppo province, activists and a reporter said.

Russia's warplanes carried out two air strikes on an aid warehouse near the Bab al Salameh border crossing with Turkey, killing three people, including two drivers and an aid worker, according to a Zaman al-Wasl reporter.

Russia’s air force intervened in Syria on September 30 in support of embattled President Bashar al-Assad, whose forces are fighting insurgents backed by a number of regional powers including Turkey.

Activists said attacking the Turkish-sponsored aid store was a Russian reprisal over the downing of its warplane on Tuesday.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported this week that Russia's airstrikes have killed 403 civilians, including 97 children under the age of 18.

http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/30206 ... Kill_Three

Oops.

oops? do you think isis etc separate themselves from civilian populations while fighting? come on maddog. you really think war is that precise??

Nope. I don't think ISIS, Al Nusra, Assad, the Turkmen or the FSA really spend too much time worrying about civilian deaths. Now we know the Russians don't either.
Oh, and when the Turks bomb the Kurds I don't think they care too much either.

That's why we need to get the hell out of there. Someone will eventually win, after tens of thousands of more civilians die, and that winner will likely suck. And we have to learn to say it's OK that much of the world is run by people that suck, because getting us and civilians killed to swap leaders that suck is a waste of our time and money.

You forgot to add the good Ol USA

So what you are saying is the USA sucks big time because they are getting civilians killed trying to swap leaders in nations across the planet all the time...

[Maddog]

Three civilians were killed on Wednesday in Russian air strikes on aid vehicles near Azaz, a border town with Turkey in the northern Aleppo province, activists and a reporter said.

Russia's warplanes carried out two air strikes on an aid warehouse near the Bab al Salameh border crossing with Turkey, killing three people, including two drivers and an aid worker, according to a Zaman al-Wasl reporter.

Russia’s air force intervened in Syria on September 30 in support of embattled President Bashar al-Assad, whose forces are fighting insurgents backed by a number of regional powers including Turkey.

Activists said attacking the Turkish-sponsored aid store was a Russian reprisal over the downing of its warplane on Tuesday.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported this week that Russia's airstrikes have killed 403 civilians, including 97 children under the age of 18.

http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/30206 ... Kill_Three

Oops.

oops? do you think isis etc separate themselves from civilian populations while fighting? come on maddog. you really think war is that precise??

Nope. I don't think ISIS, Al Nusra, Assad, the Turkmen or the FSA really spend too much time worrying about civilian deaths. Now we know the Russians don't either.
Oh, and when the Turks bomb the Kurds I don't think they care too much either.

That's why we need to get the hell out of there. Someone will eventually win, after tens of thousands of more civilians die, and that winner will likely suck. And we have to learn to say it's OK that much of the world is run by people that suck, because getting us and civilians killed to swap leaders that suck is a waste of our time and money.

You forgot to add the good Ol USA

So what you are saying is the USA sucks big time because they are getting civilians killed trying to swap leaders in nations across the planet all the time...

I'm saying our foreign policy is a failure in the middle east. All too often government ideas are judged on their intent, not their results. At some point our leaders need to decide what we are doing there is not going to work. It will get better there when people decide they are tired of killing each other. Not when we pick the lesser of two evils and support them killing their enemies.

[rollup]

Three civilians were killed on Wednesday in Russian air strikes on aid vehicles near Azaz, a border town with Turkey in the northern Aleppo province, activists and a reporter said.

Russia's warplanes carried out two air strikes on an aid warehouse near the Bab al Salameh border crossing with Turkey, killing three people, including two drivers and an aid worker, according to a Zaman al-Wasl reporter.

Russia’s air force intervened in Syria on September 30 in support of embattled President Bashar al-Assad, whose forces are fighting insurgents backed by a number of regional powers including Turkey.

Activists said attacking the Turkish-sponsored aid store was a Russian reprisal over the downing of its warplane on Tuesday.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported this week that Russia's airstrikes have killed 403 civilians, including 97 children under the age of 18.

http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/30206 ... Kill_Three

Oops.

oops? do you think isis etc separate themselves from civilian populations while fighting? come on maddog. you really think war is that precise??

Nope. I don't think ISIS, Al Nusra, Assad, the Turkmen or the FSA really spend too much time worrying about civilian deaths. Now we know the Russians don't either.
Oh, and when the Turks bomb the Kurds I don't think they care too much either.

That's why we need to get the hell out of there. Someone will eventually win, after tens of thousands of more civilians die, and that winner will likely suck. And we have to learn to say it's OK that much of the world is run by people that suck, because getting us and civilians killed to swap leaders that suck is a waste of our time and money.

You forgot to add the good Ol USA

So what you are saying is the USA sucks big time because they are getting civilians killed trying to swap leaders in nations across the planet all the time...

I'm saying our foreign policy is a failure in the middle east. All too often government ideas are judged on their intent, not their results. At some point our leaders need to decide what we are doing there is not going to work. It will get better there when people decide they are tired of killing each other. Not when we pick the lesser of two evils and support them killing their enemies.

Quit with the fucking superior race bollox!
Syria was a secular modern society doing just fine till you decided to install chaos ....Libya even more so.
You have no idea how fucking warped and dangerous this exceptional people shite is!

[Guest]

I'm saying our foreign policy is a failure in the middle east. All too often government ideas are judged on their intent, not their results. At some point our leaders need to decide what we are doing there is not going to work. It will get better there when people decide they are tired of killing each other. Not when we pick the lesser of two evils and support them killing their enemies.

You make the mistake of not considering the result was exactly their intent.

[Maddog]

Fine?

Then there would have been no uprisings. Using your definition of fine, East Germany was fine.