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This week either two lawyers with previously good reputations became incompetent or Donald Trump tried to micro-manage his defence and proved the old adage that a man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.

There really was no reason for Stormy Daniels to take the witness except to assert, as Donald Trump had denied, that she received 'hush money' from him in 2016.

There really was no reason for anyone to go into the salacious details - all Donald Trump's team had to do was to stipulate that Trump had a one night stand with her that was all there was to it.

Because Trump wanted to deny that he and Stormy Daniels had ever met, that payments had ever been made to her or they had ever had sex his defence team opened the door for all the salacious details to be put in front of the jury.

Trump's defence should have been simple - I paid Daniels to stay quiet about the affair because it would be embarrassing for me and if I just happened to be running for office at the same time that's a separate issue. It might not be the most compelling case but it's reasonable - and that means reasonable doubt.

What Trump has done is kill that opening for reasonable doubt by denying everything. All the prosecution has to do, and it has the added bonus of humiliating Trump in front of the jury, is prove that Trump is lying about any element and apply a legal principle Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which is a Latin maxim meaning "false in one thing, false in everything".

Of course the defence could argue they were trying to use the same strategy against Daniels but they were up against three insurmountable facts.

Donald Trump did meet Stormy Daniels, hush money payments were made and Donald Trump did have sex with her.

It's not looking good.

It's looking warm and comfortable for a while but in the long term...

Away from Trump's inability to control his bowel movements and stay awake the rest of the trial hasn't been going in a direction anyone in the MAGA camp would like.

I think the strategy for Donald Trump, and he used it before the trial ever started, was to attack Michael Cohen, cast doubt on his credibility and pursue a strategy of jury negation based on the Trump v Cohen narrative, and that's not how it has been working out at all.

First Trump's long time friend, and someone who clearly bears no animus towards the former President, David Pecker revealed matter of factly that the man who so often screams about fake news was putting out fake news stories about his GOP rivals before he even declared that he was running. David Pecker put himself, Cohen and Trump in a room with clear knowledge their activities were criminal in nature.

Next came witnesses to verify and enter into the record a plethora of texts, emails, invoices and receipts to prove that every word David Pecker had said was true.

Then came Keith Davidson whose evidence that Trump knew all about the illegal payments to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels was again backed up by documents and was presented beside Trump's contemporaneous denials of the proven facts and claims that the allegations of his affairs were utter false.

The prosecution is following a strategy of making a claim, proving the claim to be true with witness testimony, backing up that witness testimony with documents then showing how Donald Trump had twisted and turned through an ever changing narrative to explain away the incriminating evidence. A strategy that may pay dividends when, at the end of the trial, Trump is seen to try the same in front of an impartial jury armed with all the facts.

Holly wrote:

Stooo wrote:

Holly wrote:
Most of us have an opinion about American politics.

Most of us have an opinion about old people soiling themselves, he'd better not come to the UK as we're about to ban wet wipes

Well in that case that goes for Biden too

Yes but no.

Although it was a lighthearted dig at those who ran headlines for weeks about Joe Biden farting there are few details have emerged that lend a lot of weight to this story.

As it turns out Trump's team went to a nearby McDonalds and, without ordering ahead, showed up to order about $700 worth of food, which when you consider that a Big Mac Meal is less than $15 is quite a lot of food. Details of the order have been leaked it was very much what those wanting to appear as Alphas would order - Not a salad in sight. And that much protein and grease, and sitting around doing not much, some digestive problems, and their alleged potency, are almost inevitable.

But we all saw the footage of Trump in Chick-fil-a (which wasn't a staged event with only the local branch of the Young Republicans in attendance - honest) - having made the lunch counter staff run themselves ragged with such a massive order at a normally busy lunchtime Trump left a big tip right?

Wrong.

No tip. Not a dime.

Trump betas have a imprinted need to say 'what about Biden' every time Donald Trump is mentioned.

Sensible Person wrote:"Trump's wife is currently hawking cheap tat"
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article ... klace.html

Trump's Beta wrote:Joe Biden's wife isn't a medical doctor
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/dr-jill ... d=74797472

It's a Pavlovian response you can have endless fun playing with.

Stooo wrote:

Holly wrote:
Most of us have an opinion about American politics.

Most of us have an opinion about old people soiling themselves, he'd better not come to the UK as we're about to ban wet wipes

Well in that case that goes for Biden too

Holly wrote:
Most of us have an opinion about American politics.

Most of us have an opinion about old people soiling themselves, he'd better not come to the UK as we're about to ban wet wipes

Guest wrote:

Stooo wrote:Did you miss the topic title before becoming outraged?

Old people fart when they go to sleep, in fact most people fart when they go to sleep but that isn't the issue. The issue is that the 45th President of the USA is going to sleep when he's in a courthouse and on trial for criminal felonies, is that too hard to grasp?

No I come here to interact with comments. You and Cactus hate Donald Trump and are emotionally invested in it - what else is there to discuss apart from what Cactus has seen and read and his disgusting uncivil language? There is absolutely zero consideration given to others that might be reading these comments. Yes people defecate, fuck, and fart but is this the type of language one brings up when discussing things with others including minors or people that might be eating?

I just point and laugh at the mess

Holly wrote:
You'd fall asleep too if you'd have to put up with what Trump has to put up with.
What they put him thru has to be draining his energy, but of course that's the idea.
On top of it he does his rallies, and has businesses to run.
Whether you think he deserves it is not the issue here, it just explains why he's tired.

Me?

I've sat in Magistrates, County and Crown courts and I can tell you that it's not a relaxing experience at all, you don't fall asleep

He's just a lazy fat fuck who can't snort Adderall in court to keep him awake

Holly wrote:

Cactus Jack wrote:Such fragility from Trump's self proclaimed 'Alphas'.

Anyone familiar with Northern slang will know that trump is one of many coloquialism for passing wind and the pun in the title was an obvious one.

As for why the farty man is falling asleep, maybe if he didn't stay up until 3AM posting attacks on the judge, the jury and the witnesses he would be able to stay awake in court.

Most of us have an opinion about American politics.
We make fun of Trump or Biden, we dislike one or the other, and we post our opinions, good or bad, but your obsession with Trump is beyond weird.
It's like you spend every waking moment hating Trump like your life depends on it, yet you don't even live in the US.

Should I just treat it like all the other times a former President has gone on trial in a criminal court?

Cactus Jack wrote:Such fragility from Trump's self proclaimed 'Alphas'.

Anyone familiar with Northern slang will know that trump is one of many coloquialism for passing wind and the pun in the title was an obvious one.

As for why the farty man is falling asleep, maybe if he didn't stay up until 3AM posting attacks on the judge, the jury and the witnesses he would be able to stay awake in court.

Most of us have an opinion about American politics.
We make fun of Trump or Biden, we dislike one or the other, and we post our opinions, good or bad, but your obsession with Trump is beyond weird.
It's like you spend every waking moment hating Trump like your life depends on it, yet you don't even live in the US.

Such fragility from Trump's self proclaimed 'Alphas'.

Anyone familiar with Northern slang will know that trump is one of many coloquialism for passing wind and the pun in the title was an obvious one.

As for why the farty man is falling asleep, maybe if he didn't stay up until 3AM posting attacks on the judge, the jury and the witnesses he would be able to stay awake in court.

Stooo wrote:Did you miss the topic title before becoming outraged?

Old people fart when they go to sleep, in fact most people fart when they go to sleep but that isn't the issue. The issue is that the 45th President of the USA is going to sleep when he's in a courthouse and on trial for criminal felonies, is that too hard to grasp?

No I come here to interact with comments. You and Cactus hate Donald Trump and are emotionally invested in it - what else is there to discuss apart from what Cactus has seen and read and his disgusting uncivil language? There is absolutely zero consideration given to others that might be reading these comments. Yes people defecate, fuck, and fart but is this the type of language one brings up when discussing things with others including minors or people that might be eating?

Stooo wrote:

Guest wrote:

Cactus Jack wrote:...The Tangarine Turd is stinking up the court in New York.

Is it just gas or is Donald Trump actually shitting himself.

Most people reading your comment would be disgusted with the language used and immediately pigeon hole you as an uncouth disgusting individual. Of course those experienced in the lower dregs of social media would be a little more immured to the language but still might feel a level of disgust with your language.

What has happened is that the topic you want to discuss immediately either develops into arguments between your language usage and your responses to these commentators raising that issue, or you get confirmation bias with those that use the same type of language as you and have similar sentiment.

Meanwhile I am trying to eat a sandwich and you have filled my mind with thoughts of turds and shit. Maybe it would be better for most people to ignore your comments.

Did you miss the topic title before becoming outraged?

Old people fart when they go to sleep, in fact most people fart when they go to sleep but that isn't the issue. The issue is that the 45th President of the USA is going to sleep when he's in a courthouse and on trial for criminal felonies, is that too hard to grasp?

You'd fall asleep too if you'd have to put up with what Trump has to put up with.
What they put him thru has to be draining his energy, but of course that's the idea.
On top of it he does his rallies, and has businesses to run.
Whether you think he deserves it is not the issue here, it just explains why he's tired.