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Alabama lawmakers have passed a bill to protect in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) clinics and doctors from lawsuits and criminal prosecution.

The state's supreme court last month ruled that frozen embryos had the same rights as children, and people could be held liable for destroying them.

At least three IVF clinics paused treatments after the ruling, causing political fallout for Republicans.

The new law will allow the clinics to resume services.

Guest wrote:

Holly wrote:

Guest wrote:It takes away the minor's right to make her own decision. Don't forget that in Texas and other states a 17 year old is considered a minor - just think, when you were 17 would you have wanted to ask your dad's permission before having sex?

I would assume that most 17 year olds could asked their mother to help them get contraceptive, and I would also assume that most mothers would approve, rather than have their 17 year old come home pregnant.
Should there only be a father in the household, I'd suspect he'd feel the same.

I'd like to think so but I'm not so sure. Bear in mind this stems from a lawsuit brought by a father "who is raising his children “in accordance with his Christian beliefs”, which includes abstaining from pre-marital sex"

There will be many parents from socially conservative states who share those beliefs.

Holly wrote:

Guest wrote:It takes away the minor's right to make her own decision. Don't forget that in Texas and other states a 17 year old is considered a minor - just think, when you were 17 would you have wanted to ask your dad's permission before having sex?

I would assume that most 17 year olds could asked their mother to help them get contraceptive, and I would also assume that most mothers would approve, rather than have their 17 year old come home pregnant.
Should there only be a father in the household, I'd suspect he'd feel the same.

Guest wrote:

Holly wrote:

Guest wrote:

Holly wrote:
Women's rights are not being taken away, abortions will still be available up to 16 weeks, and in some states perhaps even longer.
You seem to forget that women also have the opportunity to use contraceptives.

"On Tuesday, a three-panel judge of the conservative Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling that prevents minors from obtaining contraceptives at federally-funded Title X clinics without parental consent."

And fair enough too, parents should be allowed to know when their minor children become sexually active.
What's wrong with that?

It takes away the minor's right to make her own decision. Don't forget that in Texas and other states a 17 year old is considered a minor - just think, when you were 17 would you have wanted to ask your dad's permission before having sex?

Holly wrote:

Guest wrote:

Holly wrote:
Women's rights are not being taken away, abortions will still be available up to 16 weeks, and in some states perhaps even longer.
You seem to forget that women also have the opportunity to use contraceptives.

"On Tuesday, a three-panel judge of the conservative Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling that prevents minors from obtaining contraceptives at federally-funded Title X clinics without parental consent."

And fair enough too, parents should be allowed to know when their minor children become sexually active.
What's wrong with that?

Guest wrote:

Holly wrote:
Women's rights are not being taken away, abortions will still be available up to 16 weeks, and in some states perhaps even longer.
You seem to forget that women also have the opportunity to use contraceptives.

"On Tuesday, a three-panel judge of the conservative Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling that prevents minors from obtaining contraceptives at federally-funded Title X clinics without parental consent."

Holly wrote:
Women's rights are not being taken away, abortions will still be available up to 16 weeks, and in some states perhaps even longer.
You seem to forget that women also have the opportunity to use contraceptives.

Stooo wrote:

Holly wrote:

Cactus Jack wrote:I can see why members of Trump's Death Cult would want to make this about trans but what we're talking about is how the SCOTUS decision that overturned Roe v Wade has, in the view of the Supreme Court in Alabama, meant that IVF treatments have also become illegal.

The Scotus decision was that life begins at conception.

For IVF treatments conception, and the first few weeks of gestation, takes place outide the womb.

In IVF the embryos, conceived outside the womb, are frozen and attempts are made to implant them into the prospective mother and there is approximately a 70% chance it will result in a pregnancy. If it doesn't there are usually two other attempts with an overall success rate of near 95%.

So if you're one of the parents who is lucky first time what happens to the second and third embryos?

Before the SCOTUS decision, under the Roe v Wade law, those were disposed of. Now that law no longer applies, those embryos in a freezer are people - or that's what SCOTUS has decided - and disposing of them is murder.

And much as the MAGA Death Cult want to change this to their culture war it's a serious subject affecting hundreds of thousands of American women every year.

Death cult, Mega cult, blah blah blah
I knew you couldn't do it.
You're an idiot.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Your word salad suggests that you never actually had a real woman in your life.
You just keep repeating woke crap you read on google
You're completely clueless.
I don't know much about you, but the way you come across suggests that you're a woman hater.
Why is that I wonder?

His point is that the GOP and St. Trump are proving themselves to be woman haters by literally taking away their human rights, it's right in front of you.

Holly wrote:

Cactus Jack wrote:I can see why members of Trump's Death Cult would want to make this about trans but what we're talking about is how the SCOTUS decision that overturned Roe v Wade has, in the view of the Supreme Court in Alabama, meant that IVF treatments have also become illegal.

The Scotus decision was that life begins at conception.

For IVF treatments conception, and the first few weeks of gestation, takes place outide the womb.

In IVF the embryos, conceived outside the womb, are frozen and attempts are made to implant them into the prospective mother and there is approximately a 70% chance it will result in a pregnancy. If it doesn't there are usually two other attempts with an overall success rate of near 95%.

So if you're one of the parents who is lucky first time what happens to the second and third embryos?

Before the SCOTUS decision, under the Roe v Wade law, those were disposed of. Now that law no longer applies, those embryos in a freezer are people - or that's what SCOTUS has decided - and disposing of them is murder.

And much as the MAGA Death Cult want to change this to their culture war it's a serious subject affecting hundreds of thousands of American women every year.

Death cult, Mega cult, blah blah blah
I knew you couldn't do it.
You're an idiot.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Your word salad suggests that you never actually had a real woman in your life.
You just keep repeating woke crap you read on google
You're completely clueless.
I don't know much about you, but the way you come across suggests that you're a woman hater.
Why is that I wonder?

Cactus Jack wrote:I can see why members of Trump's Death Cult would want to make this about trans but what we're talking about is how the SCOTUS decision that overturned Roe v Wade has, in the view of the Supreme Court in Alabama, meant that IVF treatments have also become illegal.

The Scotus decision was that life begins at conception.

For IVF treatments conception, and the first few weeks of gestation, takes place outide the womb.

In IVF the embryos, conceived outside the womb, are frozen and attempts are made to implant them into the prospective mother and there is approximately a 70% chance it will result in a pregnancy. If it doesn't there are usually two other attempts with an overall success rate of near 95%.

So if you're one of the parents who is lucky first time what happens to the second and third embryos?

Before the SCOTUS decision, under the Roe v Wade law, those were disposed of. Now that law no longer applies, those embryos in a freezer are people - or that's what SCOTUS has decided - and disposing of them is murder.

And much as the MAGA Death Cult want to change this to their culture war it's a serious subject affecting hundreds of thousands of American women every year.

Holly wrote:No person without a womb and ovaries will ever be able to bear a child, therefore can never be called a mother.
Let me repeat this.

Cactus Jack wrote:

Should I be shocked that Guest doesn't think fathers are a thing?
biological thing
Not in his life obviously.