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Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Avon Barksdale » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:08 pm

Major wrote:They think that they are a 'cut' above the rest.


It's the way you tell 'em...

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Major » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:04 pm

They think that they are a 'cut' above the rest.

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Keyser » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:18 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Keyser wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Keyser wrote:
Stooo wrote:Yes, yes they are.


Yep.

Billions believe in male or female sky wizards that will save them from mortality and entropy.

I understand why - life is utterly shit for 90 % of the world -but blimey, God (!) help any aliens who would ever observe us. :thud:


As long as they aren't doing you any harm by believing what they believe why do you care?


I can be a bit crass sometimes about the subject Lady M so I apologise. X :smilin:

People who have faith in a Creator are fine by me as long as they do me no harm as you say (Dawkins has religious friends believe it or not).

The trouble is that organised religion has caused so much damage and misery to the world over the millennia and is by it's very nature divisive.

I just look at what science has given/is giving to humanity over the last few hundred years and bow in awe to the scientific method. :cuppaT:


I see organised religion as a precursor to Scientific knowledge. Both have a valuable place in the world. A lot of believers are peacefully living their lives and don't interfere with others yet they get lumped in with all the bad press and negative comments on forums. So, apology accepted. X
Humans are divisive, and will use whatever excuse is handy to be so. It just happens to be religion atm because of the so called scientifically enlightened age we're in. However I do think everything should be questioned, including religious practices, that's how we evolve. Kinda.


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Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:16 pm

Keyser wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Keyser wrote:
Stooo wrote:Yes, yes they are.


Yep.

Billions believe in male or female sky wizards that will save them from mortality and entropy.

I understand why - life is utterly shit for 90 % of the world -but blimey, God (!) help any aliens who would ever observe us. :thud:


As long as they aren't doing you any harm by believing what they believe why do you care?


I can be a bit crass sometimes about the subject Lady M so I apologise. X :smilin:

People who have faith in a Creator are fine by me as long as they do me no harm as you say (Dawkins has religious friends believe it or not).

The trouble is that organised religion has caused so much damage and misery to the world over the millennia and is by it's very nature divisive.

I just look at what science has given/is giving to humanity over the last few hundred years and bow in awe to the scientific method. :cuppaT:


I see organised religion as a precursor to Scientific knowledge. Both have a valuable place in the world. A lot of believers are peacefully living their lives and don't interfere with others yet they get lumped in with all the bad press and negative comments on forums. So, apology accepted. X
Humans are divisive, and will use whatever excuse is handy to be so. It just happens to be religion atm because of the so called scientifically enlightened age we're in. However I do think everything should be questioned, including religious practices, that's how we evolve. Kinda.

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Keyser » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:03 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Keyser wrote:
Stooo wrote:Yes, yes they are.


Yep.

Billions believe in male or female sky wizards that will save them from mortality and entropy.

I understand why - life is utterly shit for 90 % of the world -but blimey, God (!) help any aliens who would ever observe us. :thud:


As long as they aren't doing you any harm by believing what they believe why do you care?


I can be a bit crass sometimes about the subject Lady M so I apologise. X :smilin:

People who have faith in a Creator are fine by me as long as they do me no harm as you say (Dawkins has religious friends believe it or not).

The trouble is that organised religion has caused so much damage and misery to the world over the millennia and is by it's very nature divisive.

I just look at what science has given/is giving to humanity over the last few hundred years and bow in awe to the scientific method. :cuppaT:

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:16 am

Keyser wrote:
Stooo wrote:Yes, yes they are.


Yep.

Billions believe in male or female sky wizards that will save them from mortality and entropy.

I understand why - life is utterly shit for 90 % of the world -but blimey, God (!) help any aliens who would ever observe us. :thud:


As long as they aren't doing you any harm by believing what they believe why do you care?

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:15 am

Rockstar wrote:
megaera wrote:
Rockstar wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Depends which scientist you listen to. Or, more pertinently, who they work for.
Science is just a branch of religion. A belief system that relies, mostly, on evidence. It's the evidence that should be questioned.


The average joe reading his brand of newspaper or news article online isn't going to research after reading the article and absorbing the study etc.

Disinformation has become the norm now.... A splendid way of marketing...


That's the fault of the news article not the scientists.

An example: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... st-n156136

A journal article about a compound also found in rotting eggs and flatulence having an effect on cancer cells was misrepresented by the media into smelling farts will cure cancer. :off head:

They should at least present the actual facts. People aren't that thick that they can't understand hydrogen sulphide may be a key therapy in tackling cancer.


The various studies are part of the problem too. The appeasement of alcohol is something I will never get around to. Is there a systematic disinformation spread by alcohol companies like cigs in 1960s? Is there a term such as Big Alcohol (lobbying) ?

I just read earlier on SOL that red wine apparently saves you a visit to the dentist by protecting your gums. Never mind oral hygiene is more important than fucking cancer....


Some things become universal truths though. There are things we know in our gut are good and bad. Whether we can always live by those truths is another matter. Religion and Science presents us with information, sometimes truths, and we have to figure out what works for us. For some people alcohol is a disaster zone, but not for everyone so it's not a universal truth.

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Keyser » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:35 pm

Stooo wrote:Yes, yes they are.


Yep.

Billions believe in male or female sky wizards that will save them from mortality and entropy.

I understand why - life is utterly shit for 90 % of the world -but blimey, God (!) help any aliens who would ever observe us. :thud:

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Guest » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:58 pm

Stooo wrote:
megaera wrote:
Rockstar wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Depends which scientist you listen to. Or, more pertinently, who they work for.
Science is just a branch of religion. A belief system that relies, mostly, on evidence. It's the evidence that should be questioned.


The average joe reading his brand of newspaper or news article online isn't going to research after reading the article and absorbing the study etc.

Disinformation has become the norm now.... A splendid way of marketing...


That's the fault of the news article not the scientists.

An example: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... st-n156136

A journal article about a compound also found in rotting eggs and flatulence having an effect on cancer cells was misrepresented by the media into smelling farts will cure cancer. :off head:

They should at least present the actual facts. People aren't that thick that they can't understand hydrogen sulphide may be a key therapy in tackling cancer.


Yes, yes they are.


Speak for yourself.

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Stooo » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:41 pm

megaera wrote:
Rockstar wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Depends which scientist you listen to. Or, more pertinently, who they work for.
Science is just a branch of religion. A belief system that relies, mostly, on evidence. It's the evidence that should be questioned.


The average joe reading his brand of newspaper or news article online isn't going to research after reading the article and absorbing the study etc.

Disinformation has become the norm now.... A splendid way of marketing...


That's the fault of the news article not the scientists.

An example: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... st-n156136

A journal article about a compound also found in rotting eggs and flatulence having an effect on cancer cells was misrepresented by the media into smelling farts will cure cancer. :off head:

They should at least present the actual facts. People aren't that thick that they can't understand hydrogen sulphide may be a key therapy in tackling cancer.


Yes, yes they are.

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Rockstar » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:32 pm

megaera wrote:
Rockstar wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Depends which scientist you listen to. Or, more pertinently, who they work for.
Science is just a branch of religion. A belief system that relies, mostly, on evidence. It's the evidence that should be questioned.


The average joe reading his brand of newspaper or news article online isn't going to research after reading the article and absorbing the study etc.

Disinformation has become the norm now.... A splendid way of marketing...


That's the fault of the news article not the scientists.

An example: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... st-n156136

A journal article about a compound also found in rotting eggs and flatulence having an effect on cancer cells was misrepresented by the media into smelling farts will cure cancer. :off head:

They should at least present the actual facts. People aren't that thick that they can't understand hydrogen sulphide may be a key therapy in tackling cancer.


The various studies are part of the problem too. The appeasement of alcohol is something I will never get around to. Is there a systematic disinformation spread by alcohol companies like cigs in 1960s? Is there a term such as Big Alcohol (lobbying) ?

I just read earlier on SOL that red wine apparently saves you a visit to the dentist by protecting your gums. Never mind oral hygiene is more important than fucking cancer....

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by megaera » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:24 pm

Rockstar wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Depends which scientist you listen to. Or, more pertinently, who they work for.
Science is just a branch of religion. A belief system that relies, mostly, on evidence. It's the evidence that should be questioned.


The average joe reading his brand of newspaper or news article online isn't going to research after reading the article and absorbing the study etc.

Disinformation has become the norm now.... A splendid way of marketing...


That's the fault of the news article not the scientists.

An example: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... st-n156136

A journal article about a compound also found in rotting eggs and flatulence having an effect on cancer cells was misrepresented by the media into smelling farts will cure cancer. :off head:

They should at least present the actual facts. People aren't that thick that they can't understand hydrogen sulphide may be a key therapy in tackling cancer.

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Avon Barksdale » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:59 pm

Keyser wrote:
Rockstar wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Depends which scientist you listen to. Or, more pertinently, who they work for.
Science is just a branch of religion. A belief system that relies, mostly, on evidence. It's the evidence that should be questioned.


The average joe reading his brand of newspaper or news article online isn't going to research after reading the article and absorbing the study etc.

Disinformation has become the norm now.... A splendid way of marketing...


Science relies on facts and evidence - religion from faith - no comparison.

Much of the general public seems to believe in any old cobblers including science conspiracy theories - hence the soaring rise of measles cases in Europe recently thanks to that charlatan bastard Wakefield and the MMR vaccine scare.

The most damaging hoax to humanity of the last 100 years in my opinion.


I think it is fair to say that there can be an element of faith required in scientific practice but it is not of the equivalent sort to that found in religion.

The key advantage that science has over religion is that religion is based on revelation to show truth which is inflexible and so cannot keep up with the modern world but science is not constrained in that way. Science is the constant pursuit of truth whereas religion is fixed in place.

Religion and science don't have to be enemies and used to compliment each other at one time. I think most people, even the highly rational, have some element of faith based beliefs and the need for the metaphysical.

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Keyser » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:41 pm

Rockstar wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Depends which scientist you listen to. Or, more pertinently, who they work for.
Science is just a branch of religion. A belief system that relies, mostly, on evidence. It's the evidence that should be questioned.


The average joe reading his brand of newspaper or news article online isn't going to research after reading the article and absorbing the study etc.

Disinformation has become the norm now.... A splendid way of marketing...


Science relies on facts and evidence - religion from faith - no comparison.

Much of the general public seems to believe in any old cobblers including science conspiracy theories - hence the soaring rise of measles cases in Europe recently thanks to that charlatan bastard Wakefield and the MMR vaccine scare.

The most damaging hoax to humanity of the last 100 years in my opinion.

Re: Should Circumcision Be Banned In The UK?

Post by Rockstar » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:29 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Depends which scientist you listen to. Or, more pertinently, who they work for.
Science is just a branch of religion. A belief system that relies, mostly, on evidence. It's the evidence that should be questioned.


The average joe reading his brand of newspaper or news article online isn't going to research after reading the article and absorbing the study etc.

Disinformation has become the norm now.... A splendid way of marketing...

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