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[quote="rollup"]The government has cut around £20bn from projected welfare spending over the course of the past five years, through a range of measures from freezing payments rates to cutting housing benefit.
They are now going to cut a further twelve billion.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32084722[/url]

No one seems to be talking abut the other thirty eight billion quid they said they will be taking from the people.
Fifty billion in cuts they have promised.
Twelve billion from benefits.
Where is the bigger axe going to fall?
Where the hell is thirty eight billion quid being taken from?
With only a few weeks to the election shouldn't we have the right to know?[/quote]

Like the referendum on the EU, we will have to wait until after the election. We just have to trust the Tories to do the right thing and honour their commitments in a fair and balanced way.

:thud: :pmsl:

[quote="rollup"]In spring this year, Oxfam revealed that some 85 of the world’s richest people now had as much wealth as the poorest half of all humanity. A few weeks later, Forbes magazine updated that estimate to just 67 people. Then, within days, they corrected that estimate on their website to 66 people, so fast was the wealth of the multi-billionaires rising in the world during early 2014. Such rapidly expanding bubbles always explode, and the larger they get, the more messily they end.[/quote]

Ever wondered why the Rothschilds, Rockafellas, Bushes, etc of this world never make it on to the 'top earning/wealthy' lists? :ooer:

The government has cut around £20bn from projected welfare spending over the course of the past five years, through a range of measures from freezing payments rates to cutting housing benefit.
They are now going to cut a further twelve billion.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32084722[/url]

No one seems to be talking abut the other thirty eight billion quid they said they will be taking from the people.
Fifty billion in cuts they have promised.
Twelve billion from benefits.
Where is the bigger axe going to fall?
Where the hell is thirty eight billion quid being taken from?
With only a few weeks to the election shouldn't we have the right to know?

We can see the rising dissent and anger and the changing of attitudes towards the rich, but not the precise event that will come to be labelled as the turning point, just as we could not a century ago. But it is coming. We may even have passed it. Note how pay at the top of the BBC has fallen, and that no banker today is paid what Bob Diamond received a few years ago. The language and moral sentiment is changing. [i]By being angry and disgusted with the current extent of inequality, we make it unacceptable, and its defenders become pariahs. Gross economic inequality is as vile as racism, misogyny and hatred of the disabled; as damaging in effect; and as dependent on a small group of supporters who believe that just a few should have more and more and more, because they’re worth it.[/i]

In spring this year, Oxfam revealed that some 85 of the world’s richest people now had as much wealth as the poorest half of all humanity. A few weeks later, Forbes magazine updated that estimate to just 67 people. Then, within days, they corrected that estimate on their website to 66 people, so fast was the wealth of the multi-billionaires rising in the world during early 2014. Such rapidly expanding bubbles always explode, and the larger they get, the more messily they end.

It is children who will suffer most from the spending cuts

The tax, benefit and spending changes now underway will hit households with children hardest. These make up a third of households, according to the children’s commissioner for England, but will suffer around two thirds of the cuts. On average, couples with no children will lose 4%, couples with children 9%, and lone parents 14% of their net income. Yet the 1% with children face no net cuts. Their loss of child benefit is more than outweighed by what they gain from tax cuts.

Maintaining inequality requires penalising the poor

The coalition government has already reduced the top rate of tax to 45%. Now it plans tougher benefit cuts for the poor. Under current financial plans, it will reward the top 1% even more in future, by cutting income taxes further. The rest of the top 20% can expect slight increases in their net income in the years up to 2016, while everyone else is impoverished. These figures are based on the Office for Budget Responsibility’s own projections. Meanwhile, the International Monetary Fund has produced statistics showing that George Osborne’s plans will cut the proportion of GDP going to the state to the lowest level in western Europe by 2015, and for the first time below that in the US.

f the top 1% actually created more jobs as they became wealthier, then ordinary people would be surrounded by employment opportunities in both the US and the UK. Instead, it is in Germany, where the wealthiest 1% receives in pay and bonuses half as much as their counterparts in the US, that unemployment is at a 20-year low. In countries that keep their top 1% in check, the highest earners work more effectively for the good of all, or at the very least create a little less misery.

If the national minimum wage had kept pace with FTSE 100 CEO salaries since 1999, it would now be £18.89 per hour instead of £6.50.

[size=150]How the super rich got richer: 10 shocking facts about inequality [/size]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/15/how-super-rich-got-richer-10-shocking-facts-inequality[/url]

But the donations from many of them to the Conservative party suggest that they have a direct interest in maintaining the low tax – especially wealth tax – policies of that party. It is not just property that the Russians are buying.

The title of this thread might be a bit misleading ... not intentionally.
It's not about lazy people on benefits.
Many more local authority jobs will be going with entire buildings and sections being shut down.
Dental treatment for kids is probably going to be pure free market costs as will glasses and other health checks and things for kids.
The Tories say they will not touch pensions but they say many things and then find an excuse to do the opposite. Pensions will have to be lowered/stripped taxed or something for them to have any hope of stripping fifty billion quid from the people.
Everyone is likely to be charged between ten and fifteen pounds per surgery visit.
Parks gardens playing fields will be left to grow wild in most areas other than the wealthiest Tory ones and possibly most of London.
Vat will be placed on more goods.
There is a massive economic shake up happening and under the Tories it will be dramatic.
The majority of people believe the economic disaster line ... it's only partly true the real motive is a massive political agenda of reshaping the political landscape of the western world.
The rich are getting rich faster than ever on a scale larger than ever at our expense.

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[quote="rollup"][quote="rollup"]I'd guess anyone on under thirty grand a year is going to lose big time under another Tory government who are no longer even attempting to hide what they are aiming for.[/quote]
Had a beer this afternoon and the local Tory councilor chappy was holding sway in a room full of farmers and saw mill workers and he was saying he's packing it all in.
He's disillusioned by his own party.
I was in the background just listening in.
He said what many of us have said on forums ... political parties used to promise good things to get your vote but the Tories are now so convinced tat the public believe the economic stories and the benefit scrounger dramas they are promising more misery for millions and expecting to win power that way.
He said something about the world having turned upside down.
From what some of the punters were saying after this guy had left it might be more correct to say anyone under forty or fifty grand might be about to suffer noticeably from what they have planned.[/quote]

There was a time when politicians would tell little white lies, bend the truth or be evasive. We've moved on to out and out lies now. Brazen lies repeated in response to facts proving otherwise. No longer do they treat the electorate as fools, they treat them with utter contempt now. IDS for example point blank lies in interviews, to camera and to parliamentary committees. Cameron and Osborne are no different. Osborne was reprimanded by a committee just after his budget the other week for treating it, and parliament, with contempt in his refusal to answer or provide evidence.

Reports are buried, denials issued when brought up or rushed out if it undermines Labour. Figures are manufactured to show what they want, anything else is dismissed by them and they all keep including daft phrases they've been told to use. Even when it's nothing to do with what's being discussed or asked. The soundbites are crass but are more important to politicians than actual facts. As long as they get in 'hard working families', 'clearing up the mess left by labour' or 'work hard and do the right thing', they think it's job done. They lie in the face of the truth and keep repeating the lies hoping it will become the truth.

Just look at Liz Truss saying after the [strike]debate[/strike] interviews 'how Cameron had made them happen after the others were running away from them'. Totally opposite to what happened but said with a straight face and meaning it. That and the attacks on the opposition of such magnitude as eating a sarnie, the colour of a bus or how someone looks shows the sort of low level scum we have in government. Directed by others appointed by the few for the benefit of those at the top.

#anyone but tories

Do you believe they'll get back in Jack? After all, people have long memories, and he nearly lost Scotland on a gamble, ( of which I'm sure was faked ), and too many people [b]are[/b] already feeling their cuts, so to heap more on them, workers too - is asking to be beaten at the G.E.
Arrogant bastards sit there with an "I'm alright Jack, fuk you" attitude. Who do they think they are fooling, it's only their own that believe their lies.
This election should be very interesting...

[quote="rollup"]I'd guess anyone on under thirty grand a year is going to lose big time under another Tory government who are no longer even attempting to hide what they are aiming for.[/quote]
Had a beer this afternoon and the local Tory councilor chappy was holding sway in a room full of farmers and saw mill workers and he was saying he's packing it all in.
He's disillusioned by his own party.
I was in the background just listening in.
He said what many of us have said on forums ... political parties used to promise good things to get your vote but the Tories are now so convinced tat the public believe the economic stories and the benefit scrounger dramas they are promising more misery for millions and expecting to win power that way.
He said something about the world having turned upside down.
From what some of the punters were saying after this guy had left it might be more correct to say anyone under forty or fifty grand might be about to suffer noticeably from what they have planned.