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Guest wrote:

Lexi wrote:

Guest wrote:

Lexi wrote:You can attack me on a personal level all you want, (your immaturity is not my problem) but the fact is, no-one has 'won' anything on either side of the argument! And yes I would say exactly the same if the 'remain' voters where gloating and behaving like they had some kind of triumph had the votes gone that way!

Mocking me is not going to change the fact that this was nothing more than an opinion poll!

Just because some people 'want' to leave the EU doesn't mean it's actually happened or indeed that it will happen! Your opinions, like mine, are just that! 'opinions! and no-one has to agree or act upon them. The vote results are not mandatory and it's you 'leavers' who don't seem to what to accept that!

As the repercussions of actually issuing 'Article 50' are so enormous, I personally can't see it happening. There have been too many lies told to the public and even some who did vote leave now regret it!

No-one on either side has 'won' anything!

There's a job in the shadow cabinet going if you want it. Keeping on topic - the topic being a £350m deficit to the NHS - how is your health these days?

My health's not relevant here, how's yours?

Well would you look at that, she's finally caught on!

Lexi wrote:

Guest wrote:

Lexi wrote:You can attack me on a personal level all you want, (your immaturity is not my problem) but the fact is, no-one has 'won' anything on either side of the argument! And yes I would say exactly the same if the 'remain' voters where gloating and behaving like they had some kind of triumph had the votes gone that way!

Mocking me is not going to change the fact that this was nothing more than an opinion poll!

Just because some people 'want' to leave the EU doesn't mean it's actually happened or indeed that it will happen! Your opinions, like mine, are just that! 'opinions! and no-one has to agree or act upon them. The vote results are not mandatory and it's you 'leavers' who don't seem to what to accept that!

As the repercussions of actually issuing 'Article 50' are so enormous, I personally can't see it happening. There have been too many lies told to the public and even some who did vote leave now regret it!

No-one on either side has 'won' anything!

There's a job in the shadow cabinet going if you want it. Keeping on topic - the topic being a £350m deficit to the NHS - how is your health these days?

My health's not relevant here, how's yours?

Guest wrote:

Lexi wrote:You can attack me on a personal level all you want, (your immaturity is not my problem) but the fact is, no-one has 'won' anything on either side of the argument! And yes I would say exactly the same if the 'remain' voters where gloating and behaving like they had some kind of triumph had the votes gone that way!

Mocking me is not going to change the fact that this was nothing more than an opinion poll!

Just because some people 'want' to leave the EU doesn't mean it's actually happened or indeed that it will happen! Your opinions, like mine, are just that! 'opinions! and no-one has to agree or act upon them. The vote results are not mandatory and it's you 'leavers' who don't seem to what to accept that!

As the repercussions of actually issuing 'Article 50' are so enormous, I personally can't see it happening. There have been too many lies told to the public and even some who did vote leave now regret it!

No-one on either side has 'won' anything!

There's a job in the shadow cabinet going if you want it. Keeping on topic - the topic being a £350m deficit to the NHS - how is your health these days?

Lexi wrote:You can attack me on a personal level all you want, (your immaturity is not my problem) but the fact is, no-one has 'won' anything on either side of the argument! And yes I would say exactly the same if the 'remain' voters where gloating and behaving like they had some kind of triumph had the votes gone that way!

Mocking me is not going to change the fact that this was nothing more than an opinion poll!

Just because some people 'want' to leave the EU doesn't mean it's actually happened or indeed that it will happen! Your opinions, like mine, are just that! 'opinions! and no-one has to agree or act upon them. The vote results are not mandatory and it's you 'leavers' who don't seem to what to accept that!

As the repercussions of actually issuing 'Article 50' are so enormous, I personally can't see it happening. There have been too many lies told to the public and even some who did vote leave now regret it!

No-one on either side has 'won' anything!

Trapper John wrote:

Lexi wrote:But...why does ''Trapper John'' and people alike seem to think they have somehow 'won' something? When all you have done is take part in an 'opinion poll'?

Your vote is not mandatory, it is just your 'advisory' opinion! WE are still in the EU and as no-one is going to issue the 'Article 50' anytime soon... what is all this silly excitement really about? You can't honestly think you 'vote' meant anything regarding the actual decision? The decision is up to the 'Prime Minister'...Oh wait...

If you spent even a little of the time you spend looking at your sick chart to make sure the doctors haven't missed out any of your numerous illnesses, you would have noted that way before the vote was taken I said that no government was obliged to act on the referendum vote - what I did say though was - it would be a brave politician to go against the will of the majority .... and that is how it has turned out - even the leaders of the Remain camp are telling people to suck it up, it's going to happen so we better all start trying to make it work for us.

You should be very happy - there's an extra £100 million a week coming into the NHS for you to milk a share of.

Si_Crewe wrote:

Aziz wrote:We all have ideals, but realpolitik rules.

Do you think Jeremy Corbyn would agree with your "win at any cost" mentality?

Aziz wrote:We all have ideals, but realpolitik rules.

Si_Crewe wrote:

Aziz wrote:I seek to achieve my objectives, the perception of my credibility is of concern only where and when it impedes my progress. Is that not the way of the west?

I think fewer and fewer people think that SHOULD be the case.

As discussed in that article you linked to yesterday.

Aziz wrote:I seek to achieve my objectives, the perception of my credibility is of concern only where and when it impedes my progress. Is that not the way of the west?

Si_Crewe wrote:Anybody who believed that £350m per week was going to be given to the NHS is as dumb as anybody who said it.

Actually, no. Dumber.

Si_Crewe wrote:

Aziz wrote:But grubby? Not in the least. Politics is about power - the exercise of one's will and that of those one represents or identifies with - you pull one way, I pull another, both of us using the available levers at our disposal.

We're not politicians, though, so we can be honest without risking loss of credibility.

Also, I'm not sure I agree with you regarding what level of conduct is justifiable either.
If you are willing to resort to things that you would, in other circumstances, criticise in order to get your own way then you risk revealing a lack of principles.

Aziz wrote:But grubby? Not in the least. Politics is about power - the exercise of one's will and that of those one represents or identifies with - you pull one way, I pull another, both of us using the available levers at our disposal.

Trapper John wrote:

Aziz wrote:

Si_Crewe wrote:

Aziz wrote:Unusually, and slightly uncomfortably, I find myself aligning with Mr Farage on this.

“In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.” (Nigel Farage)

That's your prerogative, of course, but I think most people would have dismissed Farage's complaints as the bitter whining of a sore loser if things had gone the opposite way.

As you dismiss mine - but this is politics and, like love and war, all is fair - even when it isn't.

Here we go again - back to the old "my horse nearly won, so I want my money back and the race re-run until it does"

Si_Crewe wrote:

Aziz wrote:As you dismiss mine - but this is politics and, like love and war, all is fair - even when it isn't.

Well, yeah but, let's be honest, if Remain had won and Farage was currently bleating about "unfinished business" you'd be laughing your ass off at his pathetic behaviour.

That being the case, you must feel rather grubby at adopting a similar position.